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Ancient caste system worked well, ICHR head says

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[h=1]Ancient caste system worked well, ICHR head says - THE TIMES OF INDIA[/h]NEW DELHI: The newly-appointed chairman of Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR) Yellapragada Sudershan Rao appears to be a votary of the caste system. In a blog written in 2007, Rao had said that the "positive aspects of Indian culture are so deep that the merits of ancient systems would be rejuvenated."

In the blog-article titled, 'Indian Caste System: A Reappraisal', he wrote: "The (caste) system was working well in ancient times and we do not find any complaint from any quarters against it. It is often misinterpreted as an exploitative social system for retaining economic and social status of certain vested interests of the ruling class"

He added, "Indian Caste system, which has evolved to answer the requirements of civilization at a later phase of development of culture, was integrated with the Varna system as enunciated in the ancient scriptures and dharmasastras."



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This is long overdue! Welcome this initiative of ICHR !Similarly the leftist intellectuals,pseudo secularists and Dravidian hegemonists pet theory of Aryan invasion should be debunked and history books cleansed of such blatant lies!
 
Varna jati system, its uniqueness and merits have been understood and valued by many including mahatma Gandhi. The british, as the saying goes - call him a dog and hang him - vitiated the model by creating divisions, mistrust and antoganism. Freedom and cohesion of the community is more important than freedom of the individual.
 

Choice of ICHR chief reignites saffronisation debate – The Hindu

The government has zeroed in on a man few in history circles have heard of

Eminent historian Romila Thapar’s article questioning the academic credentials of the new Chairman of the Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR), Yellapragada Sudershan Rao, has brought the spotlight back on the institution that was at the centre of the saffronisation debate during the first National Democratic Alliance government.

The government has zeroed in on a man few in history circles have heard of. The appointment was made quietly in the week the Human Resource Development Ministry was preoccupied with the stand-off between the UGC and Delhi University over the Four-Year Undergraduate Programme.

A blogger for several years now, Prof. Rao, who was former Head of the Department of History and Tourism Management, Kakatiya University, articulated his world view in the Chairperson’s Diary posted on the ICHR website.

Stating that he owed everything to “PujyaSri, Mahamahopadhyaya, Dr. K. Sivananda Murtyji”, Prof. Rao noted that research sponsored and conducted by the ICHR is guided by modern schools of historiography of the West. Though he has stated that he was never an RSS member, historians like D.N. Jha insist he shares the Sangh’s view in maintaining that Indian intellectual and spiritual achievements have no parallel.

Historian D.N. Jha has questioned ICHR chairman Yellapragada Sudershan Rao’s eagerness to fix a date of the Mahabharata. Prof. Jha said Marxist historians were not alone in questioning the historicity of the text. “Our own ancestors, including the great 13th Century philosopher Madhavacharya, questioned it.”

Flagging Prof. Rao’s blog of 2007 vintage on the “Indian Caste System”, Prof. Jha quipped: “He wants to bring it back. But then Narendra Modi cannot become Prime Minister under that system.” In his blog on caste system, Prof. Rao did not see it as a social evil, maintaining that the rigidity and distortions that crept into it were the result of Muslim invasions and subsequent rule.

Read more at: http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ites-saffronisation-debate/article6214483.ece
 
Jha is wrong. People of all varna's and jatis have become kings, rulers, ministers, advisers, senapathis, singers, teachers, artists.
 
I really cant understand why people are so hell bent to try real hard to explain the Caste system..that is so old school..like when we have a new garment we discard the old garment..so like wise any old school of thought that does not go with present times is best discarded whether it worked out or not..after all going by the new garment old garment theory..even if the old garment once served us well..finally it just becomes a rag.

So the best is to move on..in India everyone seems to be obsessed with caste and nothing else seems to matter..either someone is trying to justify that caste system functioned well before or someone is trying to find fault with caste system saying it caused suppression.

I feel what India needs in mass hypnosis so the the country can function well instead on harping with topics that have not much value anymore..like an old garment.
 
Sure it worked well. But for whom?


The reservation system is the Neo Caste system..but those who do not benefit from it keep complaining that the system does not work well but some feel it works well since they are benefiting from it.....so likewise I guess the ancient caste system would have worked well for those who benefited from it and not worked well for those who did not benefit from it.

There is no system in this world that is perfect..everything has its pros and cons.
 
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That is why there is chaos. Old systems fall and new systems take its place.

For better or for worse, the time for the caste system has well passed.
 
Thanks for the brilliant post. A lipstick on a pig does not make it a lady.

Look at what the white masters have done to Indian history..They have twisted and twirled to suit their own nefarious interests!

They created an inferiority complex among the locals...Their objective was to belittle anything Indian!

I would like to appreciate the letter sent by Prasanth Nambiar as a comment to the same article:

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Indian history as we now know was originally written by European Christian missionaries in late 18th century. 18th century European world view was euro-centric , influenced by biblical incidents and blatantly racist when dealing with far away alien cultures like India and native Americans. They simply could not understand/accept the fact that a highly sophisticated culture and philosophy could be found in ancient Indian manuscripts. A casual reading of Indian history books from this era (available free via google android play) will reveal the contempt with which native Indians were viewed by the so called indologists.Ancient Sanskrit manuscripts were translated in to European languages (mostly incorrectly) and European indologists simply failed to understand the advanced philosophical/theological debates and concepts contained in the manuscripts

Sanskrit writings were full of symbolisms and hidden meanings, the actual meaning could only be understood by learned Sanskrit scholars in a traditional way. Hindu deities, practices etc were demonised and ridiculed. Besides as there was a deliberate attempt by British colonialists to ‘erase’ Indian history and to create a class of Indians ‘with English tastes and thought processes (Macaula-Putras). For that to happen, colonial historians had to instil a hatred for Indian history among Indians. Later indigenous historians followed the same path and wrote Indian history and text books based on their own colonial mindset and Marxist ideology. Modi government has done well to appoint a new breed of historian as head of ICHR which will start the process of demolishing Marxist/colonial history from our textbooks.

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Look at what the white masters have done to Indian history..They have twisted and twirled to suit their own nefarious interests!

They created an inferiority complex among the locals...Their objective was to belittle anything Indian!

I would like to appreciate the letter sent by Prasanth Nambiar as a comment to the same article:

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Indian history as we now know was originally written by European Christian missionaries in late 18th century. 18th century European world view was euro-centric , influenced by biblical incidents and blatantly racist when dealing with far away alien cultures like India and native Americans. They simply could not understand/accept the fact that a highly sophisticated culture and philosophy could be found in ancient Indian manuscripts. A casual reading of Indian history books from this era (available free via google android play) will reveal the contempt with which native Indians were viewed by the so called indologists.Ancient Sanskrit manuscripts were translated in to European languages (mostly incorrectly) and European indologists simply failed to understand the advanced philosophical/theological debates and concepts contained in the manuscripts

Sanskrit writings were full of symbolisms and hidden meanings, the actual meaning could only be understood by learned Sanskrit scholars in a traditional way. Hindu deities, practices etc were demonised and ridiculed. Besides as there was a deliberate attempt by British colonialists to ‘erase’ Indian history and to create a class of Indians ‘with English tastes and thought processes (Macaula-Putras). For that to happen, colonial historians had to instil a hatred for Indian history among Indians. Later indigenous historians followed the same path and wrote Indian history and text books based on their own colonial mindset and Marxist ideology. Modi government has done well to appoint a new breed of historian as head of ICHR which will start the process of demolishing Marxist/colonial history from our textbooks.

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Dear Sir,

I find it hard to believe that a country that speaks volumes about Vedic Knowledge etc could succumb to a White Man's Theory.

Why so vulnerable?

If one is so learned how come almost everyone including Swamijis fell for the Aryan Dravidian Theory?

We have to get real here..everyone is blaming each other..Indians blame the White Man for the Aryan Dravidian theory..then some also blame Dravidian activist for using this againts Brahmins..then the blame game continues everyone acting like an Onnum Theriyathu Papa when deep inside everyone fell for it someway or the other!LOL

So many Swamijis of the past have also fallen for this Aryan Dravidian Theory and spoke on those lines..but if one is a realized soul he should know the truth and stand up and say "No this is false..this is to divide India" but no one did that..for a while everyone was happy to have some Indo European or Central Asian origin and share some White Man genes!

Just say if the Theory said 'Aryans came from Africa then everyone including Swamijis would have stood up saying NO!' cos everyone wants to be a white man but not a black man!LOL

I think we Indians better stop blaming others for our own downfall and learn to pick up pieces and have a mind of our own.

When the mind is weak only then one can be conquered!

The problem is most Indians have the Avatar Syndrome..that is always waiting for a saviour to restore Dharma..very few realize that Dharma can not be restored over night if there is no change at an individual level.
 
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Anyway castes cannot be banned or abolished. That is against constitution. The new mantra that all communities must be proud of their heritage will sink in to make bharth a truly multicultural society as in the past. Influence of abrahamic religions forcing everone to be a model T ford will wither.
 
When the mind is weak only then one can be conquered!

The problem is most Indians have the Avatar Syndrome..that is always waiting for a saviour to restore Dharma..very few realize that Dharma can not be restored over night if there is no change at an individual level.
I agree with your post.

I agree that the white man ruled us, and wrote most of the world history as we know. There are biases in every history either written or orally transmitted. It is always easy to find a "better" explanation of a statement if think long enough. That is school examinations have time limits.
Aryans may not have originated in Middle Asia, but Hinduism and Zoroastrianism had a common origin in the mountains of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

Proponents of this hypothesis point to similarities between Zoroastrianism (the ancient religion of Iran) and the Vedic religion of ancient India, as well as similar finds in ancient cemeteries in modern-day India and Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. In addition, no trace of horses or chariots have been found in the remains of the Indus Valley culture, but were central to Aryan military and ritual life.

Between about 2000 and 1500 BCE not an invasion but a continuing spread of Indo-Aryan speakers occurred, carrying them much farther into India, to the east and south, and coinciding with a growing cultural interaction between the native population and the new arrivals. From these processes a new cultural synthesis emerged, giving rise by the end of the 2nd millennium to the conscious expressions of Aryan ethnicity found in the Rigveda, particularly in the later hymns.

So Aryans did not invade the present day Indian Subcontinent but slowly migrated the region.
he 19th-century Aryan Invasion theory has generally been abandoned as inaccurate, but most scholars do not reject the notion of some outside influence on the Indus Valley civilization. For many, it is a political issue as well as a historical one, with the original theory is regarded as racist and offensive.
 
The recent observations of the new Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR) Chairman, Professor Yellapragada Sudershan Rao, that the Ramayana and the Mahabharata are not works of mythology but of historical veracity brings back to the fore the old debate about the nature of history and mythology. The fundamental assumption here is that the two stand in a dichotomous relationship with no common space between them. This dichotomy also places them in a hierarchy, with history being equated with truth and mythology with falsehood.
There is also the question of plural versions of mythologies, as there are of history. Paula Richman’s book is titled Many Ramayanas and the great Professor A.K. Ramanujam was the author of the superb essay, “Three Hundred Ramayanas”. The Mahabharata similarly has not one but numerous versions, and Madhavacarya in the thirteenth century speaks of the text teeming with interpretations, interpolations and transpositions. That’s a few centuries before the modern day baddies among historians came in to question the singularity of the sacred texts. So, which version is one seeking to authenticate in terms of its historical veracity?


The study of mythology would be greatly enriched as a cultural phenomenon rather than as authentic history that is based on material evidence, without it suffering the ignominy of being false or inferior.


But then, the very assertion that mythological figures are not necessarily historical figures immediately invites political fire from the Sangh Parivar. The Parivar’s Hindutva sentiment is hurt precisely because it has accepted the Positivist dichotomy of history and mythology and its ensuing hierarchisation of status. How far has the Parivar really travelled from the celebration of plural versions of truth in ancient Indian intellectual and cultural milieu to the modern day assertion of singularity of Truth, which is what Positivism has bestowed upon us and dominated our thinking for nearly three centuries?


(Harbhans Mukhia was Professor of History, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi.)
 
Why this fascination with jnu left soaked historians, now totally discredited by discerning, broad minded, truth seeking and native historians? The comments on mukhia's article reveal a rejuvenated readers speak volumes on the perverted jnu historians.
 
The typical reaction "if you do not like the message, change the messenger". The message still remains the same.
There is a saying that "if you keep repeating lies mixed with some truth, everything appears as truth overtime". May be that is the goal of Professor Yellapragada Sudershan Rao.

The claim that everything in the world was great and known to Ancient Hindu's is absurd.
Here is a similar analogy
Invented By Russians? | English Russia

Let us be real.
 
Totally <3 Renuka ji's post. Indian's have a total brown skin inferiority complex. That's why some people in this forum periodically claim to be Aryan descendants. Thank God they dont claim to be German!

The additional issue in the south is that caste differences are also tied up with (perceived) racial differences, Aryan/Dravidian theory etc. Caste issues exist in other parts as well, but no caste claims to be racially different from others.
 
Totally <3 Renuka ji's post. Indian's have a total brown skin inferiority complex. That's why some people in this forum periodically claim to be Aryan descendants. Thank God they dont claim to be German!

The additional issue in the south is that caste differences are also tied up with (perceived) racial differences, Aryan/Dravidian theory etc. Caste issues exist in other parts as well, but no caste claims to be racially different from others.

BTW I have something really funny to share..a few days ago I was reading some religious site where they were sort of speaking about the greatness of Yoga that even the German Football Team who just won the World Cup is under Yoga Training by a German Yoga Guru to improve concentration.

I was wondering LOL! Why is it we Indians love to live in borrowed fame? I was thinking instead of speaking highly of the benefits of Yoga that its even the choice of the German team..since India is the powerhouse of Yoga..how come there is no team to even qualify for the world cup or any proper medal count for the Olympics?
 
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