An invasion of falsehoods

[Jaykay767]

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Nobody is disputing the persecution. All we are saying is, as a secular liberal inclusive country , we cannot discriminate the incoming refugees basis their religion in any bill or amendment or act as per our constitution.

By the way, you haven't answered why your great suddenly compassionate govt did not include our Eelam Tamils ?? Why ??

 

[Jaykay767]

Nothing is wrong with liberals seculars and that is what the students are finding out. They are spontaneously protesting the discriminatory bill.

The problem is the right wing is living in 1900s and worse in an hate ideology, and rest of the country has moved on.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

After writing again and again that all these posts on persecution are lies, fake, and jumlabaazi etc now you are saying no one is disputing the persecution... what you are indulging is called gish galloping - just jumping from one topic to other even taking contradictory strands along the way. If one puts all your posts together one can see how many times you contradicted your own posts...

Oh. Indian people themselves have no jobs. Why do we need CAA? Hindus are not persecuted. All these are fake. But ahmadiyas are also persecuted. This happened 70 years back.. what you are doing is Islamophobia. We burn cities because of secularism. But we like special privileges when it suits us. If discrimination benefits muslims it is good. Otherwise it is bad. So on and so forth. Now you are coming to eelam Tamils. Yes they deserve help too. Like I said many times, the processes for acquiring citizenship for any refugee is still available. The CAA does not negate it. It fast tracks certain processes because it recognizes that the human rights situation is worse along the bangla and pak border. So they are given priority. That is all. Unlike the oppressed Hindus from Pak, Bangla, Afghan who have no choice but to settle down in India, the eelam tamils own preference is still a separate Tamil country in SL only.

I think you should shed hindu phobia and if possible hindu hatred. That will help clarity in this matter. I don't have anything more to add.

 

[Jaykay767]

No contradiction in my comments.

1. My point is if minorities are persecuted "as claimed" by this govt, then why exclude Muslims.

2. If there is so much persecution, why didn't our great govt raise it to unhrc ?? And why there are no news reports in the local and international media ?

3. Above 2 points, raise the doubt about all this sudden hue and cry about the Hindu persecution.

4. And when the economy is dead, 100s of million joblessness, what is the prioirty ? Address jobs or raise some "possibly non existent " issue to distract the country ??

5. Key is why we're persecuted Eelam Tamils left out ?? Obvious because srilanka is a buddist country, the ideology targets Muslims and hence only Islamist countries like Pakistan, Bangla, afghan has been included. Obvious because this ruling dispensation has a anti Muslim agenda. And you can the Hindu Nepal, Buddhist Bhutan are not in the list.

Lastly, let's not keep parroting, anyone who questions this great govt as anti Hindu, etc. the irony is your great govt is the one that is against the core tenet of Hinduism of Vasudaiva Kutumbakam.

No point in trying to bolt after the horses have left the stable. Naturally in this backdrop, large section of the youth, secularists, liberals, minorities are protesting...

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Just repeating the same useless points. The muslims are not minorities in the Islamic countries where the Hindus, Sikhs etc are persecuted. So why should the act which is for protection of the persecuted minorities include muslims?

Show me some examples where UNHRC actually resolved a crisis. If UNHRC is just a great organization, why did the US leave UNHRC? Just opposing something for the sake of opposing. You want all these persecuted people to remain at the mercy of the UNHRC which has a very shoddy record of tackling human right issues especially in any Islamic country. Don't try to fool us.

The problem is not a sudden problem. The problem had been existing for a long time. This govt is the only one who is doing something to help the suffering of the people. Don't scuttle it because you hate Hindus. Eelam tamils also will be helped in due course.

Bangla, Pak, Afghan have the worst record. So that problem is tackled first. Saying this does not make anyone islamaphobic. You are in denial. Probably self -serving. Who knows? Because your behavior is same as that of the islamic fanatics for whom allegiance to ummah is the foremost thing..

Any one who questions this govt is not anti-hindu but the fiberals and jihadis are certainly anti hindu. You guys have proved it time and again by indulging in whole sale violence.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Victims Of Religious Persecution Urge Anti-CAA Protesters, Opposition To Stop Opposing Law And See Their Plight

I beg the protesters not to oppose the CAA which will finally grant us our fundamental rights,” a Hindu refugee said.

swarajyamag.com

For the benefit of readers...

 

[கால பைரவன்]

As Elites And Islamist Oppose CAA, Listen To Persecuted Hindu Refugees And How Much The Act Matters To Them

swarajyamag.com

If possible, see the videos.

Don't get taken in by the fiberals.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

The fiberal media wants to show protests against the act.

They don't show people supporting the act.

Here is an example.

Rajasthan: While Congress CM Gehlot Refuses To Implement CAA, Sea Of People Take To Streets Supporting The Act

swarajyamag.com

The Islamists and fiberals may not change. But other people can learn the truth and change for the better.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Here is another example of support for act in Kolkata.

Protest in Kolkata: Doctors rally in Kolkata in support of CAA | Kolkata News - Times of India

Medicos of kolkata under the banner of national medicos organization (NMO)organised a rally on Sunday in support of Citizenship Amendment Act and agai

m.timesofindia.com

 

[renuka]

OMG! what an exchange of posts!
Actually i still feel everyone is too emotional.

Each country have their own policies as who the offer citizenship to.
So if India doesn't want to offer Muslims from other countries citizenship its the policy of the country thats all! BUT the problem why open your mouth and tell the whole world the policy?

No one needed to know about it!
Silently India could have handled this.
Thats why one should not be emotional and be a silent Sakuni and get the work done.

I thought politics is about knowing when to shut up!

 

[Jaykay767]

Most disingenuous argument and you are the one trying to fool people by saying this govt and these bills CAA and NRC are not anti Muslim. That too after the last 100 yrs of hatred, riots, lynchings, gau rakshaks, ghar Warsi, Babri demolition, etc..astonishing !!

And because you feel outraged that we are calling you out rightly for your anti Muslims agenda, you and your great govt are indulging in counter rhetoric of anti national, urban nasal, anti Hindu, etc..

 

[கால பைரவன்]

OMG! what an exchange of posts!
Actually i still feel everyone is too emotional.

Each country have their own policies as who the offer citizenship to.
So if India doesn't want to offer Muslims from other countries citizenship its the policy of the country thats all! BUT the problem why open your mouth and tell the whole world the policy?

No one needed to know about it!
Silently India could have handled this.
Thats why one should not be emotional and be a silent Sakuni and get the work done.

I thought politics is about knowing when to shut up!

Renukaji,

I know we do not see eye-to-eye on many issues. We do not engage in discussions much at all these days. So I am okay if you choose to ignore this post.

The muslims from these countries still can gain citizenship - it just won't be fast-tracked as in the case of the persecuted minorities. It will be handled case-by-case basis. I can't believe anyone can seriously think their plight is the same as the people we are trying to help.

Even the people who are vehemently opposing this know that this is not akin to islamaphobia at all. it is they who suffer from hinduphobia. Actually the problem is worse along the border in those three countries precisely because of the fact that they were all part of India once and there was a partition which was quite bloody etc. The Nehru-Liaquat pact was formed to avoid this issue but alas it didn't succeed in preventing this crisis. Anyone can recognize this easily. It is the people who are opposing this act are making this sound like some sort of a muslim problem. They are so afraid to accept that the partition created issues for these people who are refugees now.

Eelam was not part of india anytime and the eelam tamils were not Indian citizens before. Even then it is not the case that citizenship door is closed to the eelam tamils. The fact is they still yearn to live in eelam - that is why the TN CM is petitioning India to provide dual citizenship to refugees who are eelam tamils. This is not the case with the people who are sought to be helped by this act.

The indian fiberals are the worst. Getting to power is more important to them than the well-being of the country. This is just another example of them burning the country for their selfish needs.

You are correct though that i also need to know when to shut up. I will do so! Thanks!

 

[Jaykay767]

OMG! what an exchange of posts!
Actually i still feel everyone is too emotional.

Each country have their own policies as who the offer citizenship to.
So if India doesn't want to offer Muslims from other countries citizenship its the policy of the country thats all! BUT the problem why open your mouth and tell the whole world the policy?

No one needed to know about it!
Silently India could have handled this.
Thats why one should not be emotional and be a silent Sakuni and get the work done.

I thought politics is about knowing when to shut up!

Renukaji, let me clarify.

This govt and its parities are the most hate filled dispensation, have conducted one of the worst vitriolic campaign in the last 6 yrs with scores of Muslims lynched and killed.

And they are now institutionalising this hated by openly passing anti Muslim bills CAA, proposed NRC, and would you believe, detention centres quietly in almost states. No one knew about this silent deadly plan for the last 5 yrs.

Indian people have finally rejected this continuous hate agenda and taken a stand on the streets with no let up on protests. Huge protests took place today as well all over the country.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

For every islamic fanatic any hindu will look like a hate-filled person only. So if a govt does anything to provide succor to persecuted hindus, will they tolerate? They hyper-ventilate!

 

[Maha52]

For every islamic fanatic any hindu will look like a hate-filled person only. So if a govt does anything to provide succor to persecuted hindus, will they tolerate? They hyper-ventilate!

While I agree with you sir I have few questions to ask.

Hope you don't mind replying.

What were these fiberals doing when lakhs of Kashmiri Pandits were persecuted at J & K….? Now talking about Eelam tamils…..etc??

J & K Pandits exiled in our own country. Have they conveniently forgotten the history..the truth.

These J & K Pandits were also protesting, but in peace !!

What this now hyper-active fiberals were doing then….?

Is this called Gandhari Syndrome…. ?? or Sleeping mode !!

Now, reported violent protests for intruders….!!

What could be the all of a sudden drive behind this hyper ventilation…??

Is it to attract attention of……

One thing is sure that a section of anti-national and anti-social elements have grabbed this opportunity and are up in arms sabotaging the properties of Govt procured out of tax payers money.

And, it is going to be the very same tax payer who has to bear the burnt.

By the way, can any one name a country which has no boundary limits for citizenship…?

 

[Maha52]

Railways property worth Rs 90 crore damaged in anti-CAA protests

West Bengal has been the worst affected because the Eastern Railways largely falls in the state, the total loss for ER alone has been Rs 72.19 crore said RPF DG Arun Kumar.

Read more at:

Railways property worth ₹90 crore damaged in anti-CAA protests

West Bengal has been the worst affected because the Eastern Railways largely falls in the state, the total loss for ER alone has been ₹72.19 crore said RPF DG Arun Kumar.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[Maha52]

West Bengal anti-CAA riot by Muslim mob: An eyewitness account

This eyewitness account is of the anti-CAA riot that erupted in Bengal: Spontaneous protests or terrorist violence? | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

 

[Maha52]

We may come across some who define such violent protest as a peaceful one and blame the police. LOL

Gujarat CAA protesters corner policemen, rain stones as locals rescue struggling cops | Watch

The protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act and the National Register of Citizens (NRC) staged in the Muslim-dominated Shah-E-Alam area in Ahmedabad turned violent on Thursday

Gujarat CAA protesters corner policemen, rain stones as locals rescue struggling cops | Watch

The protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act and the National Register of Citizens (NRC) staged in the Muslim-dominated Shah-E-Alam area in Ahmedabad turned violent on Thursday.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[renuka]

Renukaji,

I know we do not see eye-to-eye on many issues. We do not engage in discussions much at all these days. So I am okay if you choose to ignore this post.

The muslims from these countries still can gain citizenship - it just won't be fast-tracked as in the case of the persecuted minorities. It will be handled case-by-case basis. I can't believe anyone can seriously think their plight is the same as the people we are trying to help.

Even the people who are vehemently opposing this know that this is not akin to islamaphobia at all. it is they who suffer from hinduphobia. Actually the problem is worse along the border in those three countries precisely because of the fact that they were all part of India once and there was a partition which was quite bloody etc. The Nehru-Liaquat pact was formed to avoid this issue but alas it didn't succeed in preventing this crisis. Anyone can recognize this easily. It is the people who are opposing this act are making this sound like some sort of a muslim problem. They are so afraid to accept that the partition created issues for these people who are refugees now.

Eelam was not part of india anytime and the eelam tamils were not Indian citizens before. Even then it is not the case that citizenship door is closed to the eelam tamils. The fact is they still yearn to live in eelam - that is why the TN CM is petitioning India to provide dual citizenship to refugees who are eelam tamils. This is not the case with the people who are sought to be helped by this act.

The indian fiberals are the worst. Getting to power is more important to them than the well-being of the country. This is just another example of them burning the country for their selfish needs.

You are correct though that i also need to know when to shut up. I will do so! Thanks!

I think you got it wrong.

When I wrote OMG what an exchange of posts..I was talking about the rather heated debate going on between you and JK ji.

And the word to Shut Up is not directed to you and anyone here....I wrote that to state that the offering the citizenship to so called persecuted ones need not be dealt so openly till the data base of the citizens are formed.

Yes..agree that Sri Lankan Tamils were never part of British India but so is Afghanistan.

So why Modi wanted to include Afghans here?

Thats the weird part.
Unless he is thinking kingdom of Gandhara is still in India.

 

[renuka]

When I look at the videos of the protests it seems clear to me that at least 99.999% of people have no idea what they are protesting about.
I saw a video where are lady in Bangalore said she is protesting an anti dalit act!

As I said earlier...its total lack of communication and emotions running high.

Partly some are protesting out of fear that they are losing their rights becos they are Muslim but I dont deny that Anti Muslim fever too has gone viral by some Hindutva mobs.

Its just Mob mentality these days..both Hindus and Muslims.
Its and eye for an eye.

I see so many pages on facebook all about Hindu civilization and temples and they mention how many were razed by invaders and work up everyone.

So its slow poison ..then the Muslim sites too carry all about how they are bring marginalized etc.

Dalits sometimes have no idea what they are protesting about cos for them an upper caste is worth opposing since a Dalit is never given a respectable place in the Hindu fold.

Finally its just very sad to see a country so well known for Vedanta just unable to think rationally.

Is it so hard to just be less emotional.

Its just everyone spewing hatred.

Then opposition is fanning the flames to win over votes..no one cares for the country.

Modi is Ok actually..he has the interest for the country BUT he should just leave the Hindutva mentality out at present becos Hindutvaness feed his minions and they run wild lynching others..but if Modi gives up Hindutva..would he have a vote bank?

To be in power..one needs to have a common enemy.I guess thats why the only way to stay in power is having a common enemy.
Hindus only can unite in 2 conditions:

1)Cricket match
2)Anti Abrahamic religions