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    This is a direct quote from psychology today magazine. I do not know many Atheist so I can not make a personal judgement. This study is from US, so may not be representative of TB or TB-haters.

    "The Pew study found atheists are much less likely than theists to believe that there are "absolute standards of right and wrong." 58% of atheists believe in such standards, as compared to 63% of Jews, 72% of Moslems, 78% of Catholics, and 81% of Protestants. These findings are consistent with a new paper by Princeton social psychologists Geoffrey Goodwin and John Darley. The authors found that grounding one's ethical beliefs in the notion of a divine being predicts greater moral objectivism, and it was the only variable to do so. It must be noted that the majority of atheists are not relativists, but these studies do suggest that atheists are more prone to relativism than those who attribute morality to God."

    "Theists do seem to make more personal contributions to charity, and this pattern should not be ignored. It is not as if atheists are against such contributions; they just do it less often. This suggests that there is something about religion that promotes giving, and it would be useful to figure out what that is."

    "While reading an article in a weekly Canadian magazine, Maclean's, I came across an article that reveals that religious people are by far more charitable than non-church goers and especially much more charitable than atheists.
    The article offers a summary of a Statistics Canada release in which various groups are compared in relation to their charitable habits. While less than one in five Canadians attends church regularly, those who do attend regularly "are far more liable to give to charities, and are substantially more liberal in the size of their gifts to both religious and non-religious organizations."How much more liberal? "The average annual donation from churchgoer is $1,038. For the rest of the population, $295."What about volunteer work? "With respect to volunteer effort, two thirds of church goers give their time to non-profit causes while only 43 per cent of non-attendees do likewise. And churchgoers put in twice as many hours volunteering."

    Maclean's, May 10, 2010, P. 4.

    I am interested in this study because such learned scholars like Sangom, and Yamaka profess to be atheist, at the same time seems to be genuinely concerned about mankind. Yamaka rails against any form of religion, faith, and belief. Please prove these assertions wrong.

    Do Atheists Pose a Threat to Morality? | Psychology Today
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    Shri Prasad,

    I accidently got to know this thread only now and found your post much interesting and informative. Thanks for sharing this with all of us here. But, I am wonder stuck seeing no response to it. No arguments / debates on this, till date.
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    Arguments for and against are the ongoing topics in many threads
    and this can be shifted to those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.R.Ranganathan View Post
    Arguments for and against are the ongoing topics in many threads
    and this can be shifted to those.
    not really.

    here the focus is on community good. who services the community more - godrich or godless?

    they dont have to fight as to who has better arguements. just who does more? maybe why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kunjuppu View Post
    not really.

    here the focus is on community good. who services the community more - godrich or godless?

    they dont have to fight as to who has better arguements. just who does more? maybe why?
    But who and how gonna start with this debate??
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    Kumjuppu post#4,

    I have a theory, it is only a theory.
    The religious people are also social people. The non-religious person has less chance of moving in social circles.
    For instance Carnatic music is mostly based on religion, so is Bharatnatyam, and most of religious festivals. So the social pressures to help others is mostly on the religious person. The religious person is generally humble as they know there is something much bigger than them. With the humility comes charity. Also if you friends do the charity like money or service, they will drag you along.

    All religions extols the virtue of charity, so there is a feeling of guilt for religious person. A non religious person may not have the urge or they may not find a person worthy of their service.

    When it comes to responding to disasters generally local people are the fisrt to respond. Take BAPPS or Ramaksina Math they provide immediate service as they are organised for these eventuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C RAVI View Post
    But who and how gonna start with this debate??
    please see prasad's post # 6

    'The religious person is generally humble as they know there is something much bigger than them. With the humility comes charity. '

    should get some heads banging, i say!
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    I haven't read the article but having seen the title I would hazard a guess that athiests are no more moral or immoral than agnostics and theists. Morality is all relative isn't it?
    I also think atheists who do good do it because its the right thing to do rather than doing good for the sake of God, punishments, fear etc. While theists doing good work is great, their actions are good but the intent? I dunno. I think intent(ion) matters and if its for God, fear, punishment, "the rewards" then the good work ain't so impressive after all IMO.
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    Amala you are right. Intentions do matter. But here the talk is about quantity. To a victim it does not matter who gave the money, whether it is atheist money or theist money, they buy equally. Please read the article it is important to get the gist of the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    Amala you are right. Intentions do matter. But here the talk is about quantity. To a victim it does not matter who gave the money, whether it is atheist money or theist money, they buy equally. Please read the article it is important to get the gist of the argument.
    Coming to intentions..we have to realize that the Mind is so fickle that at one moment we can sing "Karmanyevaadhikaraste Ma Phaleshu Kadacana" and the next moment when we see the smile on the face of someone we just helped, a feeling of satisfaction comes to us and thats just the feeling of making ourselves happy.
    Sounds harsh but the fact is most of our actions are for self satisfaction indirectly.We are happy even when we do a charitable act mainly for ourselves not necessarily that we want the fruit of our actions but for the mere mortal I am the doer ship(Ahamkara) prevails.
    I somehow dont kind of like the english translation of Ahamkara as EGO cos when we say EGO most of us link it to arrogance/glory/self praise etc but in reality its just the feeling that "I preformed an act"

    Most people have many reasons to do charity.

    1)Self satisfaction
    2)To gain Punya/merit
    3)Some actually think they can wash off sins!!!
    4)To evade income taxes
    5)To show off(believe me enough people show off when they do charity and call the press to take pics and hang the pics at their offices)
    6)Launching pad for political career
    7)Charity for only their own caste or religion..with intention to uplift their own kind.
    8)Out of compassion.

    Very very rare is the person who does anything for someone else with no trace of self interest..Vairagya is not easy.

    So a Theist or Atheist can have any reason to do charity.Only God truly knows someone true intention.

    P.S. Even the Great Hero Karna was aware of the fickle mind when it came to charity that he gave Lord Krishna an item with his left hand cos he didnt want to wait and wash his right hand(to hand over the item) in case he changes his mind in that time gap.
    So where do we Atheist or Theist stand?
    Last edited by renuka; 19-10-2011 at 07:38 AM. Reason: addition/correction
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