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Christian missionaries contributions to Tamil





Tamil is the most antique language in all other Indian languages. In the Dravidian language's family, such as Telugu, Kanada, and Malayalam the Tamil is the foremost and said the period is allegedly known as 2000 years ago. The diachronic linguistic researchers usually take the grammar as a scale to predict the age of the language. Tholkaapiyam, literally known as Tamil grammar was written by Tholkapiyan at 200 BC. While taking an account of the grammar, literature, and fictions, it is undoubtedly a pre-historical, and foremost of the global languages next to the Latin, Arabic, and Sanskrit. Where the Sanskrit has been spoken prior to the Tamil, it is true that there is no a separate written form for it. But Tamil has its own Alphabets as well as the grammar.


Knowing the importance, glory, and good old of the language many foreign scholars learned of and became the masters of the Tamil. Especially, the Jesuits and Christian missions who have arrived in India with the intent of promoting Christianity was attracting by the diorama of the Tamil and want to learn it. By, learning of the Tamil the Jesuit fathers who were charged by the Christian missions with the intention of escalating the Christianity would thrive on the knowledge of Tamil. Apart from that learning, they have contributed many contemporary works for Tamil literature, novels, and short stories. This is the time for the revival of the memories of those scholars whose mother tongue was not Tamil.


We shall see in this context about the foreign scholars who were understood the glory of the Tamil and rendered the services


Father HENDRY HENDRIX


The Portuguese father namely Hendry Hendrix landed on the Indian port during the year of 1546 for propaganda the Christianity. With an enduring hard work, he learned Tamil himself for needing of his machinery activities. With the help of his fellow Ferro Louise, he published the very first printed book in Tamil 'THAMBIRAN VANAKKAM' Moreover he designed the Tamil pattern letters in Goa.


G.U.POPE


Dr. G. U. Pope was born on April 24, 1820, in Prince Edward Island, Canada. The idea was to get involved in Christian worship at an early age. The Christian Retreats charged him to South India in the year 1839 for religious service. He settled in Sayar Puram a small village at Tutucorin. He worked hard on Christianity and founded a school and library, as well. Besides Tamil, he learned Telugu and Sanskrit. In 1849 he went to England. Then he returned to Tamil Nadu and stayed in Thanjavur. There he continued his religious activity. Tolkpiyam and Nunul were very difficult to teach the books, and he published the grammar books in simple Tamil.























 
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It will be worth reading this(please click the link) as this started in 1546 the same period when this Henry Henrix was in Goa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_Inquisition#Role_of_the_Holy_See_and_Vatican

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]Thank you for your response. To act dissemination for the religion is not wrong. The religious tolerance supposedly the only solution to all. It is true from the beginning of the sixth century, one religion emphasized the other's religion to leave its faith simultaneously and insists to follow their own religion.

The Christendom in North India today has thrown into the fire by a Hindu fanatic is not a new one. This fanaticism is the residue of the Jerusalem's history.

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]The Romans seize Jerusalem. The city is thrown into the fire by the Romans. The Jews who lived there put only one request to the Roman Empire when the king asked them what's their last wish? They said you may seize all our properties but please reimburse our schools. From this incidents, we can easily understand how the education is an important thing to the human being was the European taught. Of course, the missionaries were insisting the Christianity but apart from that, they rendered services in the education uplifts. We never forget their services especially in the medics and the education as well. [/FONT]
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Thank you for your response. To act dissemination for the religion is not wrong. The religious tolerance supposedly the only solution to all. It is true from the beginning of the sixth century, one religion emphasized the other's religion to leave its faith simultaneously and insists to follow their own religion.

The Christendom in North India today has thrown into the fire by a Hindu fanatic is not a new one. This fanaticism is the residue of the Jerusalem's history.


The Romans seize Jerusalem. The city is thrown into the fire by the Romans. The Jews who lived there put only one request to the Roman Empire when the king asked them what's their last wish? They said you may seize all our properties but please reimburse our schools. From this incidents, we can easily understand how the education is an important thing to the human being was the European taught. Of course, the missionaries were insisting the Christianity but apart from that, they rendered services in the education uplifts. We never forget their services especially in the medics and the education as well.

Though Christianity gives importance to the two fields, it cannot also be denied they use it as a tool to spread their religion and conversion. Now all religions are doing missionary activities, in the above fields, they look for other avenues, most of the times illogical ones.
 
Thank you for your response. To act dissemination for the religion is not wrong. The religious tolerance supposedly the only solution to all. It is true from the beginning of the sixth century, one religion emphasized the other's religion to leave its faith simultaneously and insists to follow their own religion.

The Christendom in North India today has thrown into the fire by a Hindu fanatic is not a new one. This fanaticism is the residue of the Jerusalem's history.


The Romans seize Jerusalem. The city is thrown into the fire by the Romans. The Jews who lived there put only one request to the Roman Empire when the king asked them what's their last wish? They said you may seize all our properties but please reimburse our schools. From this incidents, we can easily understand how the education is an important thing to the human being was the European taught. Of course, the missionaries were insisting the Christianity but apart from that, they rendered services in the education uplifts. We never forget their services especially in the medics and the education as well.
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even ramakrishna mission/chinmaya mission learned from christian missionries...education/health facilities are very important..

there is joke word in kerala christioans...its called PAAL PODI CHRISTIANS IN MALAYALAM....means many are converted

into chrisianity due to PAAL PODI ...means milk powder....so food/education/health are core in christianity....
 
The member who started this subject may either be a Christian or a sympathizer, since his reply justified it.

The topic is quite absurd.
 
Let us analyse the subject in an unbiased way and question why people change their faith, which was practiced by their forefathers for generations. The main reason may not be changing spiritual path to find the creator or God. I searched for an answer for the biggest mass conversion of fishermen community of Paravars in 16th Century between 1535 - 1538. The entire Community which was once called" Baratakula Kshatriyar" பரதகுல க்ஷத்ரியர் who travelled across the sea to South east Asia along with rulers. The reasons for this mass conversion was not entirely spiritual or religious, but a necessity for their survival at that period.
Printing of first Tamil Book was done by Portuguese Church.
I have written detailed account on this subject in my Blog - Old Stylus.
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
http://oldstylus.blogspot.com/2015/03/religious-conversion.html?m=1
 
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X tian missionaries have only ONE Goal - to convert. The good they do is to meet this goal. Hence, if we see the good without this context, we may end up making the wrong conclusions. Hence, let us see what they have done across the world:
1. South America: Entire variety of cultures have been obliterated. Opposing tribes were hunted down by the Spanish Inquisitors and either killed or converted. There are ONLY xtians in S. America
2. North America: The same results - only that the tribes were different.
3. Africa: Islam started from the North and Xtianity from the South and they hold half the continent each. There are some tribes who are neither, but this will vanish. There are wars in the middle of Africa between these groups.
4. Asia: Only India and Nepal are left. Rest are either Islamic or Xtian
5. Australia - Aborigines hunted down and the country is Xtian - PM issues apology after hundreds of years - FOR WHAT!

Hence, this topic itself is to be seen in this light. The xtian interest in another person starts with religion and ends with it! So I would request that contributions this group must celebrate are those of Thiruvalluvar, Avvai, Bharati, etc... Not these xtian missionary hitmen.
 
Let us analyse the subject in an unbiased way and question why people change their faith, which was practiced by their forefathers for generations. The main reason may not be changing spiritual path to find the creator or God. I searched for an answer for the biggest mass conversion of fishermen community of Paravars in 16th Century between 1535 - 1538. The entire Community which was once called" Baratakula Kshatriyar" பரதகுல க்ஷத்ரியர் who travelled across the sea to South east Asia along with rulers. The reasons for this mass conversion was not entirely spiritual or religious, but a necessity for their survival at that period.
Printing of first Tamil Book was done by Portuguese Church.
I have written detailed account on this subject in my Blog - Old Stylus.
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
http://oldstylus.blogspot.com/2015/03/religious-conversion.html?m=1

Every religion has claimed man's creation. In the Bible, Adam and Eve say that the first appearance of humanity. In Hinduism, the human incarnations of the God are spoken. In the case of Islam, Prophet Muhammad is known as the Messenger of God.

The first point of man's posture of the God worship was the lightning rain thunder and fire. It is true that this concept of the man who evolved from the monkey in the evolution of evolution has been accepted until today. In evolution, the man was afraid of nature. Then he started to worship it. This is the beginning of the worship of God.

The former High Court Judge Hon'ble Sengottu Velan said that when the temples were built as tall as background because of lightning in the sky appeared had seen. Even so, the first man looked upwards to reasons later built the towers upwards on the rise.

This is how the worship and religious beliefs of God appeared in this way and how well it was used by other religions.

The first Tamil book was published by Portuguese missionary Henry Henryz in 1578. These ink printing books created revolutionaries in all walks of life. Especially in the campaign of Christianity and later in education. With this printed discovery, all missionaries were used to the common people to follow their religious beliefs.

If we want to develop our Hindu religion, we need to abandon some useless practices. This is my opinion.
 
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Every religion has claimed man's creation. In the Bible, Adam and Eve say that the first appearance of humanity. In Hinduism, the human incarnations of the God are spoken. In the case of Islam, Prophet Muhammad is known as the Messenger of God.

The first point of man's posture of the God worship was the lightning rain thunder and fire. It is true that this concept of the man who evolved from the monkey in the evolution of evolution has been accepted until today. In evolution, the man was afraid of nature. Then he started to worship it. This is the beginning of the worship of God.

The former High Court Judge Hon'ble Sengottu Velan said that when the temples were built as tall as background because of lightning in the sky appeared had seen. Even so, the first man looked upwards to reasons later built the towers upwards on the rise.

This is how the worship and religious beliefs of God appeared in this way and how well it was used by other religions.

The first Tamil book was published by Portuguese missionary Henry Henryz in 1578. These ink printing books created revolutionaries in all walks of life. Especially in the campaign of Christianity and later in education. With this printed discovery, all missionaries were used to the common people to follow their religious beliefs.

If we want to develop our Hindu religion, we need to abandon some useless practices. This is my opinion.

All Religions have practices, customs and conventions which may not be useful or desirable now. Hinduism can’t be singled out. The Abrahamic Religions have more in their warehouses. Have they been abandoned?

Can u please list out the useless practices in Hindu Religion?
 
The first Tamil book was published by Portuguese missionary Henry Henryz in 1578. These ink printing books created revolutionaries in all walks of life. Especially in the campaign of Christianity and later in education. With this printed discovery, all missionaries were used to the common people to follow their religious beliefs.

If we want to develop our Hindu religion, we need to abandon some useless practices. This is my opinion.



தமிழின் முதல் அச்சு புத்தகம்

"ஆகாசமும் பூமியும் படச்சவன் சர்வமும் ஆனவனே, பிதாவே தம்பிரானே விசுவாசம். அவ்வண்ணம் என்னடே கர்த்தாவே யேசு கிறிஸ்து அவ்வனடே புத்ரனே ஒருவனே. சுத்தமான சித்தத்தினொடெய கருணே கொண்டு கெற்பம் ஆயி: கன்னியாஸ்திரி மரியத்தில் பெறந்தவன்: போஞ்சியு பிலாத்து விதித்த விதிகொண்டு வெசனப்பட்டு: குருசினில் தூக்கிச் செத்தான்: குழில் வைத்து.."

Above is a passage is from the first Tamil Printed book " Thambiran Vanakkam" (தம்பிரான் வணக்கம்) printed in India in 1578. It is a matter of record Tamil was the first non-European Language to be printed in movable type. The credit should go to the untiring efforts of a Portuguese Jesuit Priest Fr.Anrique Anriquez (1520–1600) better known as Fr.Henrique Henriques, who spent most of his life in missionary.
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
When Tamil people speak normal Tamil why some sect add AVAAL IVAAL.

If you are in Naattukottai in the midst of Chettiyars they say " Aviya and iviya " (அவிய, இவிய) for avarkal ivarkal which is also Tamil.

If you come to Madurai district rural areas they say avinja and ivinja (அவிஞ்ச , இவிஞ்ச) to denote avarkal ivarkal.

Now please tell me whether these people are Tamils or not. And the Tamil they speak is "normal" Tamil or not.

If aviya and iviya as well as avinja ivinja are acceptable from the Chettiyar and Marava sect as Tamil, avaal and ivaal by another sect of Tamils is also acceptable Tamil. Period.
 
When Tamil people speak normal Tamil why some sect add AVAAL IVAAL.

No one can define which is normal Tamil or not. It differs region to region. I am born and broughtup in Coimbatore. People of my region speak very respectfully. When I go to Chennai, Madurai or Southern districts I hear entirely different Tamil.
No one use or speak the Tamil used in previous generations now. When we look at the movies of present generation we will understand this.
I request , let us not waste our energy and time on this kind of verbal duel.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 



தமிழின் முதல் அச்சு புத்தகம்

"ஆகாசமும் பூமியும் படச்சவன் சர்வமும் ஆனவனே, பிதாவே தம்பிரானே விசுவாசம். அவ்வண்ணம் என்னடே கர்த்தாவே யேசு கிறிஸ்து அவ்வனடே புத்ரனே ஒருவனே. சுத்தமான சித்தத்தினொடெய கருணே கொண்டு கெற்பம் ஆயி: கன்னியாஸ்திரி மரியத்தில் பெறந்தவன்: போஞ்சியு பிலாத்து விதித்த விதிகொண்டு வெசனப்பட்டு: குருசினில் தூக்கிச் செத்தான்: குழில் வைத்து.."

Above is a passage is from the first Tamil Printed book " Thambiran Vanakkam" (தம்பிரான் வணக்கம்) printed in India in 1578. It is a matter of record Tamil was the first non-European Language to be printed in movable type. The credit should go to the untiring efforts of a Portuguese Jesuit Priest Fr.Anrique Anriquez (1520–1600) better known as Fr.Henrique Henriques, who spent most of his life in missionary.
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.

Thank you for your kind effort to republishing the Tamil first printed book Tambiran Vanakkam.Tamil really get in pride when it seems in the prints as first in all linguistics.
 
No one can define which is normal Tamil or not. It differs region to region. I am born and broughtup in Coimbatore. People of my region speak very respectfully. When I go to Chennai, Madurai or Southern districts I hear entirely different Tamil.
No one use or speak the Tamil used in previous generations now. When we look at the movies of present generation we will understand this.
I request , let us not waste our energy and time on this kind of verbal duel.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
hi

well said.....spoken tamil and written tamil are different...even litreature tamil is different..still everything is tamil...
 
Ok Sir. Irrespective of the caste People from Coimbatore speaks in Coimbatore slang, Madurai speaks in Madurai slang. Invariably the AVAL IVAL slang is used by the select sect irrespective of districts. Just a thing I have noted. Thats all. No ill feeling.
 
If you come to Madurai district rural areas they say avinja and ivinja (அவிஞ்ச , இவிஞ்ச) to denote avarkal ivarkal.

மை லார்ட், உங்கள் வாதத்தில் சொற்குற்றம் இருக்கிறது. அது "அவிஞ்ச, இவிஞ்ச" இல்ல. "அவிங்க, இவிங்க". Madurai is famous for many such words. இதுதான் தூய தமிழ். மற்றதெல்லாம் தமிழே இல்லப்பா... திருநெல்வேலி "ஏல, போலே, வாலே" எல்லாத்தையும் சேர்த்துதான் சொல்றேன்.
ஹா..ஹா..ஹா..
 
All Religions have practices, customs and conventions which may not be useful or desirable now. Hinduism can’t be singled out. The Abrahamic Religions have more in their warehouses. Have they been abandoned?

Can u please list out the useless practices in Hindu Religion?


[FONT=&quot]Well. Before list out the unnecessary practices of the Hindu, I want to know some clarifications about the God and the men.[/FONT] [FONT=Lucida Grande, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Are the God created by the man or the man created by the God? If your answer will be the God created man, then is the God advised the man to follow the ritual duties compulsory to satisfy Him were at the time of creation?[/FONT][FONT=&quot] When your answer will be against this is understood[/FONT][FONT=&quot] that the man was creating some unnecessary practices to satisfy the God.[/FONT][FONT=Lucida Grande, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT]
 
Well. Before list out the unnecessary practices of the Hindu, I want to know some clarifications about the God and the men.Are the God created by the man or the man created by the God? If your answer will be the God created man, then is the God advised the man to follow the ritual duties compulsory to satisfy Him were at the time of creation? When your answer will be against this is understood that the man was creating some unnecessary practices to satisfy the God.

Not necessary. There’s no doubt God created man and of course woman.

There is no need for the God to list out rituals to be performed. Man and woman, with common sense and devotion, can develop and practise.

Now you please list out.
 
The conversation and the debates are quite endless.In a multi plural society this is inevitable.
 
Not necessary. There’s no doubt God created man and of course woman.

There is no need for the God to list out rituals to be performed. Man and woman, with common sense and devotion, can develop and practise.

Now you please list out.

I have need to post this reply for your query about the useless practices in Hinduism, and simultaneously I would like to stop all debates in this core. All religious doctrine likely to accept that the man was created by the God. From Bible to Geethai this was accepted. The Bible says in Mark 10:6
However, from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' And the same followed in Geethai as well


பீஜம் மாம் ஸர்வ-பூதானாம்
வித்தி பார்த ஸநாதனம்
புத்திர் புத்திமதாம் அஸ்மி
தேஜஸ் தேஜஸ்வினாம் அஹம்

பிருதாவின் மகனே, எல்லா உயிரினங்களின் மூல விதையும், புத்திசாலிகளின் புத்தியும், பலசாலிகளின் பலமும் நானே என்பதை அறிவாயாக.
Here this quotes we now seen all the doctrine are same. Moving to other question we answered that the Vedas were written by Vedhavysar ...A human...
Its the stage to leave unnecessary practices in the cemetery rituals as well as in the marriages customs. You know now we have to pay abnormal fees for performing all these ritual practices and the time also consumed. We ,obviously omits all these dragging ...
 
Not necessary. There’s no doubt God created man and of course woman.

There is no need for the God to list out rituals to be performed. Man and woman, with common sense and devotion, can develop and practise.

Now you please list out.

I have need to post this reply for your query about the useless practices in Hinduism, and simultaneously I would like to stop all debates in this core. All religious doctrine likely to accept that the man was created by the God. From Bible to Geethai this was accepted. The Bible says in Mark 10:6
However, from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' And the same in Geethai


பீஜம் மாம் ஸர்வ-பூதானாம்
வித்தி பார்த ஸநாதனம்
புத்திர் புத்திமதாம் அஸ்மி
தேஜஸ் தேஜஸ்வினாம் அஹம்

பிருதாவின் மகனே, எல்லா உயிரினங்களின் மூல விதையும், புத்திசாலிகளின் புத்தியும், பலசாலிகளின் பலமும் நானே என்பதை அறிவாயாக.
Here this quotes we now seen all the doctrine are same. Moving to other question we answered that the Vedas were written by Vedhavysar ...A human...
Its the stage to leave unnecessary practices in the cemetery rituals as well as in the marriages customs. You know now we have to pay abnormal fees for performing all these ritual practices and the time also consumed. We ,obviously omits all these dragging ...
 
I have need to post this reply for your query about the useless practices in Hinduism, and simultaneously I would like to stop all debates in this core. All religious doctrine likely to accept that the man was created by the God. From Bible to Geethai this was accepted. The Bible says in Mark 10:6
However, from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' And the same in Geethai


பீஜம் மாம் ஸர்வ-பூதானாம்
வித்தி பார்த ஸநாதனம்
புத்திர் புத்திமதாம் அஸ்மி
தேஜஸ் தேஜஸ்வினாம் அஹம்

பிருதாவின் மகனே, எல்லா உயிரினங்களின் மூல விதையும், புத்திசாலிகளின் புத்தியும், பலசாலிகளின் பலமும் நானே என்பதை அறிவாயாக.
Here this quotes we now seen all the doctrine are same. Moving to other question we answered that the Vedas were written by Vedhavysar ...A human...
Its the stage to leave unnecessary practices in the cemetery rituals as well as in the marriages customs. You know now we have to pay abnormal fees for performing all these ritual practices and the time also consumed. We ,obviously omits all these dragging ...

If expenses incurred during cemetery rituals and marriages are your problems, you can very well discuss with the priest (related to your faith) and reduce it as far as possible. Fodd expenses can be reduced by serving limited vegetarian meals instead of NV, since in most of the weddings, especially Chiristian weddings both are served.
 

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