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    Why does Isvara tell pArvati 'Sri rAma rAma rAma iti rame rAme manorame sahasra nAma tatulyam rAma nAma varAnane".


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    When pArvati questions iSvara, if there is any simpler way to recite the sahasra nAma of Vishnu, iSvara answers in the above way. Often people translate, interpret this sloka in the way they wish.

    First, let's be clear that Vishnu Sahasra nAma does not have 1000 names of Vishnu, contrary to popular belief. Though it is called Sahasra Nama in fact it contains only 901 distinct sounding names. Eight hundred and fifteen names are repeated once, Seventy-five of these names are repeated twice, nine of these names thrice and two of these names four times. Interpretations that are based on the assumption of 'thousand' distinct names are not valid for this reason.


    This sloka means

    "Sri rAma rAma rAma iti (thus) (is)rame (the one that is enjoyed)rAme (the one who is the enjoyer)manorame (the manas that enjoys).tat(Those) Sahasra nAma ( innumerous names)are equal (tulyam) rAma nAma (to the name of rAma)vara anane (living suitor - better half)"


    The words rAma, rAma, rAma is equal to the numerous names of vishnu, because, rAma rAma rAma means the one that is enjoyed (rame), the physical enjoyer (rAme) and mind enjoyer (manorame).

    rAma is the enjoyer. For eg., balarAma means one who enjoys his strength. parasurAma means one who enjoys playing/handling the parasu. sappatu rAma means one who enjoys the food.

    Vishnu is the one that is enjoyed,Vishnu is the physical enjoyer and the mind-enjoyer. This is also said by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita. Krishna (Vishnu) is the player (Knower), playground (Knowledge) and the observer (Enjoyer), all the three.


    So the words rame, rAme, manorame are critical to the understanding of the sloka. By saying rAma, rAma, rAma we are remembering the Vishnu as the one that is enjoyed, as the physical enjoyer as ourselves and the manas/Atmanas in us that enjoys. We see that vishnu in everything.

    That is the crux of Vishnu Sahasra nAma


    -TBT
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    rAmaH as you have said is " one who enjoys"

    Fair enough....so why is Vishnu linked here?

    Any quadrons..photons or higgins?
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    The purpose of linking Shiva with Rama is primarily to give importance to Vishnu, since Rama happens to be the reincarnation of Vishnu as per one of the schools of Hinduism.

    The followers of Shiva would not have thought His name is linked with a human being say Rama, as Saivism, I believe, did not give any importance at all to Rama. It speaks only about formless God.

    It is a clever manipulation with the help of Brahmins, in general, which stretches till date thru Bhagavathas and Smarths Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, in particular, to place Vaishnavism above other forms, thru Rama.

    The above particular verse in Vishnu Sahasranamam needs critical study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHANDRU1849 View Post
    The purpose of linking Shiva with Rama is primarily to give importance to Vishnu, since Rama happens to be the reincarnation of Vishnu as per one of the schools of Hinduism.

    The followers of Shiva would not have thought His name is linked with a human being say Rama, as Saivism, I believe, did not give any importance at all to Rama. It speaks only about formless God.

    It is a clever manipulation with the help of Brahmins, in general, which stretches till date thru Bhagavathas and Smarths Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, in particular, to place Vaishnavism above other forms, thru Rama.

    The above particular verse in Vishnu Sahasranamam needs critical study.
    Shiva and Parvati seem to be intellectual and discuss many important philosophical details...

    Is there such discussions between Vishnu and Lakshmi?
    Do they ever discuss about the Shiva principle?
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    Amalgamation of major forms of worship in Hinduism is a good one if the purpose is to bring unity among Hindus.

    But in reality, in order to glorify one Sect, other Sects are sometimes shown in poor light, which is not desirable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    rAmaH as you have said is " one who enjoys"

    Fair enough....so why is Vishnu linked here?

    Any quadrons..photons or higgins?
    All the Universe is made of particles that have property of mass. 'Mass' is what creates, sustains and evolves the Universe. The property of Mass is the ramA, rAma and manoramA.

    But mass is nothing but energy impeded by Higgs field and creating an energy density in a region of spacetime. Thus mass ultimately is energy.

    At the same time just energy does not create the universe. It is the 'property of mass' caused by Higgs field, that creates, sustains and evolves the observable Universe.

    So energy (Shiva) states Vishnu (mass) is the ramA, rAma, manoramA.

    Enjoy.

    -TBT
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    Someone told me that this line which is repeated at the end in chanting Vishnu Sahasranamam was never in the original scriptures and is an add on.

    Experts in the forum who know how to check such things may know what is true.
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    The Sahasranama such as the Vishnu Sahasra Nama, are not found in early Samhita manuscripts, rather found in medieval and later versions of various Samhitas. One of the significant works on Sahasranama is from the sub-school of Ramanuja and the Vishnu Sahasra-namam Bhasya (commentary) by 12th-century Parasara Bhattar.



    Tantrikas chant the Bhavani Nāma Sahasra Stuti and the Kali Sahasranāma. While the Vishnu and Shiva Sahāsranamas are popular amongst all Hindus, the Lalita Sahasranama is mostly chanted in South India. The Ganesha Sahasranama is mainly chanted by Ganapatya. The Bhavani Nāma Sahasra Stuti is the choice of Kashmiri Paṇḍits and the Kali Sahasranāma is mostly chanted by Bengalis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahasranama
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    Shiva ( Siva) as we know him today was unknown to the Vedic people. They knew a form of Shiva who was different from the Shiva who was worshipped elsewhere in the Indian subcontinent.

    They worshipped a deity who personified their fears and anxieties in an unfamiliar territory surrounded by hostile tribes and an unfavorable nature.

    But the Vedic people had a different concept of Shiva. They were not very familiar with his peaceful or adorable forms. They perceived him mostly as a god of anger, death and destruction and feared him most. Uttering his very name on some occasions was considered inauspicious and necessitated the performance of certain rituals.

    He was relatively unknown in the early Vedic period, but as time went, by he superceded most of the vedic gods and was recognized not only as Brahman or the highest of all gods but also as part of the Hindu Trinity as the destroyer along with Brahma the Creator god and Vishnu the preserver.
    Prior to his integration into Vedic religion,

    Lord Shiva was worshipped mainly outside the Vedic society by people with whom they were not very familiar. Even today we find Lord Shiva being exceptionally popular among many ancient tribes of India such as the Chenchus and the Malavans who live in the remote areas of South India and consider Shiva not only as a hunter and a forest deity but also as the ancestor of their tribes.

    The Vedic God Rudra was superimposed on Shiva to give authenticity and to place him in Vedas.

    Vishnu came even later than Shiva.

    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/siva/vedicconnection.asp
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    The Rg Veda (and it’s divisions into Sama, Yajur, and it’s appendix, the Atharva) is almost exclusively concerned with religious rituals meant to elevate human beings to heaven / paradise, where Indra is the supreme ruler. Therefore these books present everything from the perspective of paradise. We almost only hear about Vishnu and other deities in terms of how they relate to Indra, the lord of paradise.

    In the Rig Veda, which is the holiest of the four Vedas, Vishnu is mentioned numerous times alongside other gods, such as Indra.

    He is particularly associated with light and especially with the Sun. In early texts, Vishnu is not included as one of the original seven solar gods (Adityas), but in later texts he is mentioned as leading them.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...s/vishnu.shtml
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