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    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    Does loving Hindus mean hating Muslims? Asks Mamata

    West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee today said those who accuse her of appeasing Muslims are friends of neither the Hindus nor the Muslims.



    "Some accuse me of (doing) Muslim appeasement. My question to them is whether loving Hindus means you have to hate Muslims. I respect and love all communities and religion. This country belongs to everybody," she said.


    "Those who say I appease Muslims are friends of neither the Hindus nor the Muslims," Banerjee, also the Trinamool Congress supremo, said while addressing a special prayer gathering on Red Road here to celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr.



    The BJP and some other organisations have been charging Banerjee with appeasement of Muslims for political reasons.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/does-loving-hindus-mean-hating-muslims-mamata/articleshow/64614162.cms
    Indian Politicians cannot survive without communal politics.

    She came to power by projecting Left as anti-minorities. In the recent communal clash, no concrete action was taken, especially where Hindus were affected.

    Many believe, by hiding under the cover of a Hindu, she is more a pro-Muslim.

    Staying comfortably in Calcutta, saying India belongs to everybody is nothing but exposing her as a pseudo-secular. Can she repeat the word in Kashmir?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    "yadhA vAcha nivartante, apprApya manasA saha" -- Please meditate/ruminate on this from the vedas.

    I have not seen God and so I do not know what is his form and whether he is a He or a She or anything else that I know. So I am sorry I can not give you a satisfactory direct answer. But I can narrate my experiences and explain the path I travelled to find an answer. As my mind struggles and grapples with the task (It is in my nature as a human being) to know him and as my anxiety due to repeated failures increases, I find the problem to be intractable and situation becomes hopeless. So I decide on a solution personal to me. Instead of looking for and finding a God with a form and name, I give God a form and a name. I call him Sriman Narayana and imagine him to be a kalyana gunArnavam (a repository of all good attributes/qualities). And considering his greatness and my smallness and after exploring a lot many of other things, I decide to just love and surrender to him. And what more!! I am happy that I have found a practical and correct solution to the problem that was tormenting me for long -- like it is perhaps tormenting you now.

    And as I look around, I find there are many others too in the vast humanity, who have followed the same method as I did and have arrived at similar solutions. Thus I find a whole society accepting the God entity, giving it a form and a name including Sriman Narayana to objectify that entity for convenience. I have for company a large number of people in this world-people who are capable of thinking deeply, people who are not fools. Among them I find people who give the form of a woman to their God entity, there are those who give the form of a man, a child, a successful warrior, a good monarch, even a man-lion composit form etc., I have no quarrel with them because I understand their thought processes as they do understand me. I do not ask them why this form and why not that form. I do not ask them why their form is not a transsexual or a homosexual because I understand it is silly to ask such a question. It is they including me who have chosen the form and it is not the form assumed by God entity.

    God as a male warrior-king, with queens by the side (yes the plural form of queen is deliberate), as a naughty boy indulging in lovable pranks, as a turtle, a man-lion composite form, a woman parasakthi, a mother who is mercy personified, a fierce looking Kali, a Maadan with mush extremely fierce-looking with sharp weapons in hand, all these forms with number of various consorts-men and women. The whole lot of all this is just the form given by human beings to the formless, nameless indeterminable entity called God. So I do not enter into any argument with anyone about why some one is part of the socalled consort while some one else is not etc., It is all the mental constructs of humans. There can be reasons or no reasons. It is a waste of time arguing over these.

    I also understand that this God entity pervades everything in the creation and that includes me too. I understand there are people in this world, who stress this pervading aspect and choose to believe God exists in this kind of consciousness itself. I have no quarrel with them either. There are also those who have struggled grappling with the search in their mind and are unable to cut out the active alternative path of solution that I and many other like minded people have chosen. They wait indefinitely for newer tools and newer capabilities to come to the human beings when they think they will finally get the answer to the nagging question. So they choose to refute God entity and call it just the creation by the society of believers and nothing more. They strictly go by cause and effect and proof physical. I am unable to go with their reasoning and I choose to remain what I am –a believer.

    So the answer to your question is “I do not know” qualified by all that has been written in the above paragraphs..

    I can write more on this topic. But that would presume a certain familiarity with Epistemology and Ontology. Moreover that would need a lot of self-effacement and genuine burning desire to know on the part of the participant in dialogue. I am not sure about that here. I am not interested in discussing this further here. So I stop with this. Thanks.
    Dear Mr Vaagmi:

    Thanks for taking the time to write a long write up.

    Here is my response . You can respond back if you want.

    The quote you have used (and often in the forum) has many different views based on googling for it. They all do not agree. There are widely divergent views. Hard to meditate on something that does not even have a simple and agreed upon meaning.

    No issue with your solution, but you cannot expect it to be coming under a logical framework to debate. It is but a belief and you acknowledge that. But people have found their own solutions like you that clash. You and I can be fine with 'live and let live'. But many fight leading to immense violence (mostly not initiated by true Hindus).

    What we believe, though baseless can lead to huge problems. For example, Christianity and Islam says animals have no souls and think that God created all these for men's pleasure. That is their 'solution about God'

    So that results in factory farming, consumerism and hurting the environment by grabbing things at any cost.

    If you are not careful, your own conviction on your belief can make you fight with others if they say something contradictory or raise questions.

    To me a God (and his Godmen) cannot be doing miracles because I think life itself is a miracle. May be you admire a cockroach.. I wonder how a small bird can travel 20000 miles in a year and return to the same spot. Or a mosquito that is able to move about so fast (compared to its size). Those are real miracles.

    Hope your God concept does not include miracles breaking laws of nature.

    Also I can debate with you about 'surrender' because there is a lot of contradictions in its usage I think.

    In Christianity surrender is 'accept Jesus is your savior' and no matter what you will go to heaven. That to me is nonsense.

    Wonder what your understanding of surrender is to a God you have given a form to in your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    "yadhA vAcha nivartante, apprApya manasA saha" -- Please meditate/ruminate on this from the vedas.

    I have not seen God and so I do not know what is his form and whether he is a He or a She or anything else that I know. So I am sorry I can not give you a satisfactory direct answer. But I can narrate my experiences and explain the path I travelled to find an answer. As my mind struggles and grapples with the task (It is in my nature as a human being) to know him and as my anxiety due to repeated failures increases, I find the problem to be intractable and situation becomes hopeless. So I decide on a solution personal to me. Instead of looking for and finding a God with a form and name, I give God a form and a name. I call him Sriman Narayana and imagine him to be a kalyana gunArnavam (a repository of all good attributes/qualities). And considering his greatness and my smallness and after exploring a lot many of other things, I decide to just love and surrender to him. And what more!! I am happy that I have found a practical and correct solution to the problem that was tormenting me for long -- like it is perhaps tormenting you now.

    And as I look around, I find there are many others too in the vast humanity, who have followed the same method as I did and have arrived at similar solutions. Thus I find a whole society accepting the God entity, giving it a form and a name including Sriman Narayana to objectify that entity for convenience. I have for company a large number of people in this world-people who are capable of thinking deeply, people who are not fools. Among them I find people who give the form of a woman to their God entity, there are those who give the form of a man, a child, a successful warrior, a good monarch, even a man-lion composit form etc., I have no quarrel with them because I understand their thought processes as they do understand me. I do not ask them why this form and why not that form. I do not ask them why their form is not a transsexual or a homosexual because I understand it is silly to ask such a question. It is they including me who have chosen the form and it is not the form assumed by God entity.

    God as a male warrior-king, with queens by the side (yes the plural form of queen is deliberate), as a naughty boy indulging in lovable pranks, as a turtle, a man-lion composite form, a woman parasakthi, a mother who is mercy personified, a fierce looking Kali, a Maadan with mush extremely fierce-looking with sharp weapons in hand, all these forms with number of various consorts-men and women. The whole lot of all this is just the form given by human beings to the formless, nameless indeterminable entity called God. So I do not enter into any argument with anyone about why some one is part of the socalled consort while some one else is not etc., It is all the mental constructs of humans. There can be reasons or no reasons. It is a waste of time arguing over these.

    I also understand that this God entity pervades everything in the creation and that includes me too. I understand there are people in this world, who stress this pervading aspect and choose to believe God exists in this kind of consciousness itself. I have no quarrel with them either. There are also those who have struggled grappling with the search in their mind and are unable to cut out the active alternative path of solution that I and many other like minded people have chosen. They wait indefinitely for newer tools and newer capabilities to come to the human beings when they think they will finally get the answer to the nagging question. So they choose to refute God entity and call it just the creation by the society of believers and nothing more. They strictly go by cause and effect and proof physical. I am unable to go with their reasoning and I choose to remain what I am –a believer.

    So the answer to your question is “I do not know” qualified by all that has been written in the above paragraphs..

    I can write more on this topic. But that would presume a certain familiarity with Epistemology and Ontology. Moreover that would need a lot of self-effacement and genuine burning desire to know on the part of the participant in dialogue. I am not sure about that here. I am not interested in discussing this further here. So I stop with this. Thanks.
    hi

    NAAYAMATMA PRAVACHANA ENA LABYAHA.....NA MEDHAYA.....the upanishad says....
    asato maa sadh gamayaa, tamaso maa jyotir
    gamayaa, mrityor maa amritham gamayaaa..
    om shanti, om shanti, om shanti...upanishad
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbs View Post
    hi

    NAAYAMATMA PRAVACHANA ENA LABYAHA.....NA MEDHAYA.....the upanishad says....
    Dear Mr TBS:

    There are many of us who cannot follow what you have written.
    Not even sure if English transliteration is correct because Googling produces no result.

    Can you please expand this and say what you mean? If it was meant only for Mr Vaagmi and not for others you can use PM to do that.

    In a discussion forum, it is best to provide some details so people can follow. Thanks
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    And as I look around, I find there are many others too in the vast humanity, who have followed the same method as I did and have arrived at similar solutions.
    http://.<a href="https://youtu.be/AO...OOs8MaR1YM</a>

    Fortunately, we are not lemmings. We have an intellect and we can analyze before we jump off the cliff.
    The reasoning of following a leader does not bode well in a Hindu society.




    A note of caution:

    A video is for the purpose of illustration only.


    Because of their association with this odd behavior, lemming "suicide" is a frequently used
    metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences. This metaphor is seen many times in popular culture, such as in the video game Lemmings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming
    Last edited by prasad1; 18-06-2018 at 03:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    http://.<a href="https://youtu.be/AO...OOs8MaR1YM</a>

    Fortunately, we are not lemmings. We have an intellect and we can analyze before we jump off the cliff.
    The reasoning of following a leader does not bode well in a Hindu society.
    Take a good look before jumping.

    The key word used by me is "similar" and not "same".

    What is similar need not be the same.
    Giving someone a piece of your soul is better than giving a piece of your heart. Because souls are eternal. --Helen Boswell
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