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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    "Childish comment" is perhaps a tribute you pay to people here. You have a tendency to sit in judgement of all here. That is why I always tells myself "here comes our Vadivelu. Let us see what he is up to" whenever I see a post from you.
    Friend. Cool down. I did not say anything about you and yet you come here with this "childish....". What is wrong with you. You owe an explanation to me, to other decent members here and to the admin. Let us see what you have to say. Come on.
    Dear Mr M. Vaagmi:

    Where do you get this urge to attack others, and degenerate all good discussions? It is fine if you believe you have satvic brahmin genes but your comments do not show that you have inherited those. Please get back to the topic. Yes we are prepared to hear your story about how you become a Bhaktha again instead of your comments here
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRN View Post
    Yes, I am corrected Sir. Bhakti is indeed as old as the Vedas...
    But the meaning, beliefs and practices around the word Bhakthi has evolved
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRN View Post
    A Request For All.

    The topic of this thread is "Bhakti as a concept in Hinduism is foreign influence" and the thread opener quoted from
    http://www.advaita-vision.org/bhakti-in-advaita/

    There was a preposterous claim "Historically speaking, Bhakti as a cult took root in India after the Muslim invasions".

    This claim, from a website ostensibly supporting Advaita Vedanta, is fallacious due to many reasons, a few of which I had mentioned in my initial response. All historical evidence point to Bhakti dating long back in antiquity, perhaps as old as the Upanishads.

    The spiritual leader of Advaita, Shankaracharya himself was a bhakta, and it is obvious that he lived several centuries before the Muslim invasions. For a detailed discussion on the date of Sankara, considering various theories and historical aspects, the book "Life And Thought Of Sankaracharya" by GC Pande may be referred.

    When I took up this fact in discussion, that Sankara himself was a bhakta, I noticed that it is not readily accepted here.

    That was why I issued a rhetorical challenge to discuss certain statements related to this matter. My aim thereby was to show, using the example of Sankaracharya, that the topic of this thread (Bhakti as a concept in Hinduism is foreign influence) is baseless. I hope that my messages helped at least a few readers gain more awareness on Sankaracharya.

    I am part of a non-profit organisation that has been collecting, verifying and translating the works authored or attributed to Sankaracharya and getting them published together. The Vani Vilas Press from Srirangam had done a similar job in the past. But many manuscripts of works attributed to Sankaracharya were unearthed afterwards, and their verification and translation to English is still in progress.

    So the work is still going on. At present, we are a little short of funds. Anyone from the readers interested in supporting this nonprofit venture, may PM me for the details.
    Dear Mr KRN:

    I applaud you for your efforts. Is there anyway you can share the details of the organization here (provided it is not against the forum rules). This way any of us interested in supporting the organization can be aware and decide to support the cause anonymously
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    As usual a childish comment of a fully grown physical person, alas the mind did not keep pace with the physical growth. There is no need for your insults.
    Normally attacking a post is not the same as attacking a person. A few characters never learn this always calling names, watching for other people's ego, commenting on them and derailing threads. The best way to deal with a repeat offender is to call out his post like you have done.

    My questions and challenges were to Mr KRN who has been responding and I respect him for that .

    What is more immature and infantile than having multiple avatars here, do pretentious things and claim to have special Satvic genes. He has been called out more than once for his multiple avatars.

    Then he comments here about others. May Lord Narayana give him peace of mind,

    Let us move back to the topic of the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRN View Post
    Do you know what a citation is?

    A citation is a reference to a published or unpublished source. More precisely, a citation is an abbreviated alphanumeric expression embedded in the body of an intellectual work that denotes an entry in the bibliographic references section of the work for the purpose of acknowledging the relevance of the works of others to the topic of discussion at the spot where the citation appears. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A person interested in finding out the truth of the matter, can make a note of the slokas given in the pictures I posted, which should suffice for reference. Then they can peruse any available copy of the Gita bhashyam, in original or translation, and satisfy themselves. If they know Sanskrit or Hindi, all the required details are there in the pictures.

    You may ask your expert friends to translate and interpret the slokas for you. And don't forget to return to this forum and state your conclusions. And you or your friends need to come here and state whether you have any references from the Bhashyam for refuting my statements. If you are not going to do that, it is a let down I am afraid.
    There is no need to send photocopies of pages of a book that I understand you are in possession.

    A citation could be simply say. Gita chapter 11, verse 35 .

    i Had supported your conclusion that Bhakthi is not an import from Islam/christianity but Mr Prasad's comment was about how it is practiced today. Today's Bhakthi practice has western influence (just an opinion).

    Then you talked about going beyond nature's limitation of body and mind. I pointed out that body and mind is nature. I asked for what you meant with actual example. Waiting for that

    You talked about Krishna's Vishwaroopam is thought as a real happening in the battlefield and that Shankaracharya accepted that as a real event. I asked you citation for that. Please provide actual comments of Shankaracharya, not some pages photocopied. Please provide your explanation as to why you came to you conclusions. Or at least provide the exact Sanskrit lines, You can mark up copy of a book page and attach a picture. That should take no time, The previous pictures you attached are hardly legible


    If and when you provide actual lines Sankaracharya and how you reached your conclusions, I will try to have a rebuttal ready for you. If you see past postings of Mr Sangom or even Mr tks - they provided actual slokas in Sanskrit, translations and commments & conclusions to make their point. Is that too much to ask of someone who seem to have some expertise? I may or may not succeed in getting a rebuttal but I will try with sincerity

    If you dont want to take up the challenge it is fine. You have been kind engaging with me though my knowledge on these is limited. But I need to see something that is without internal inconsistencies in your claims. Your claims about Sankaracharya's understanding has nothing to do with whatever was said in post 1. We are now talking only about your claims
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRN View Post
    Sir, I have not put forth any 'point' or 'case' or 'thesis' of my own. I made a few statements to counter some lies and misconceptions floating around, about Sankaracharya. As I explained earlier, I have not said anything original, and you may refer the Gita Bhashyam.

    It is not my fault that Adi Sankaracharya wrote his works in Sanskrit, nor is it my fault that you seem to be ignorant of Sanskrit or Hindi. So if you want a reference, you will have to put up with that language. By the way, the text in the photos are in Sanskrit, on the left side. I thought I mentioned that earlier.

    Per your own admission, this topic to you is akin to a paper from Einstein. Then perhaps you should not even be trying to debate with me on this topic!
    So far there is no debate. I am only trying to pin you down with some concrete statements you made in the progress of this thread. I am trying to get consistency and how you reached your conclusions. I have not gotten an scholarly response yet other than telling me I am unqualified to debate. I am unqualified to read and understand Sanskrit and the topic area is something I have begun to read only in the last few years. But mastery is being able to provide explanations to someone who is not an expert, be ready to provide detailed references with explanatory notes about you reached your conclusions. I am told even great scholars need notes written by others (called Tika?) in order to decipher what Sankaracharya taught. So your claim that you got all this by translations does not make sense to me.

    But I do appreciate engaging with me - you have not so far provided anything scholarly yet. If you do I will engage with you (by getting rebuttals ready).

    In any case it was a pleasure to engage. Please do not join Mr Vaagmi or support him with his condescending comments about others who challenge or ask for details.
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