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    Hi Hiranyakasyapu!

    Remember your discussion on God Saranagathi philosophy etc with your Kid Prahalad? You were vanquished in the end! No entry for kids attitude is out of arrogance / ego or both. You have to learn a lot from kids You have kids who are revered தகப்பன் சாமி!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    Treasure left by someonelse is not true treasure.
    Its only treasure if we earned it ourselves.
    I differ. You are perhaps meaning physicals. Like wealth-money, property etc.,

    I am speaking about knowledge. My being born in this century, in India, in Tamilnadu in a brahmin family is a given situation for me about which I have mentioned in my post. These were not my making and I had no control over these happenings. It is just that I am here with all these. I seek knowledge. I also find that I do not have to reinvent the wheel. The wheel is already there with all its mechanical advantages which are unique and are for ever. I just take it as it is and move ahead making use of it. The knowledge about the wheel is left by my ancestors to me. That is a part of the wealth that I talk about. The vedas are part of it and many other items are there.

    I acknowledge the treasure that has been left behind by the ancestors as treasure inherited by me along with others here. With this knowledge as the base I look for more of the knowledge. I look for answers to the numerous questions that arise in my mind. I find that there is a strong base available on which I can build. And it is just that. Hope I am clear.

    I understood what you wrote but just the portion where you hold on tight to your genetics has that attachment to name and form.
    My genetics are real. I can not wish it away. Nor can I wipe it away. I can not do anything about it honestly. Good or bad, it is there and I take it in my stride. Name and form are the fundamentals of cognizance and communication. Without them you will be tying yourself in knots or will be lost for ever in the darkness of a pervasive vacuum. Name and form help us also in conveying ideas.

    I am sure you are aware that I have absolutely no complexes -inferior/superior-when I speak about my genetic origins unless someone wants me to discuss it and rubs it on me the wrong way. I am beyond that kind of immaturity. And I would request you to come out of this binary complex. When I mention my genetic origins, if someone jumps from his/her seat, I take it that he/she feels inferior and that is the undelying insecurity which makes her/him jump at me. Cool. I am not superior or inferior. I do not even think on those lines. But I am a brahmin and that is a given situation for me.

    I am not saying its is wrong but at times our trueself need not identify with our genetics.
    My genetics are there for ever superimposed on me. I can not escape from it. And my identity is partly made up of my genetics. What people want is to forget my genetics because they have wrong notions about the genetics. As long as I do not harm you, as long as I am able to understand you, as long as I am able to empathise with you, as long as we are able to argue and arrive at conclusions, as long as we are able to recognize each other as a human being with plus and minuses, my genetics should not attract this much attention.

    If I am wrong on a point it is just that I am wrong. It is not that I am wrong because of my genetics. Similarly if I am right on something I do not think it is because of genetics. It is just that I am right for other reasons. When genetics gets converted into politics there comes a lot of misunderstanding and heat.

    That is the only disconnect I find in your post..otherwise it made a lot of sense.
    Hope I have explained adequately.

    I am sad that I had to explain at all. But that is a cross every brahmin carries to his grave.

    I am glad that you got my points in my posts right. And thanks for engaging.

    I do not intend to reply to kids and TRRs here if they respond to this post. LOL. Period.
    Last edited by Vaagmi; 14-04-2018 at 09:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janaki Jambunathan View Post
    Hi Hiranyakasyapu!

    Remember your discussion on God Saranagathi philosophy etc with your Kid Prahalad? You were vanquished in the end! No entry for kids attitude is out of arrogance / ego or both. You have to learn a lot from kids You have kids who are revered தகப்பன் சாமி!

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    Dear Janaki Madam,

    You have always been brilliant in seeing the hypocrisy right through and provide the most appropriate responses .
    Am unable to give one more Up vote since you already have one from someone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    Hi kid,

    I quoted Renukaji's post and sent my post as a reply to that. It was not for you to but in.

    I usually ignore posts by stupid kids in this forum.

    When elders are discussing higher level subjects like bhakti and philosophy and God which kids do not understand, kids should carefully keep away. Particularly the delinquent kids should never come anywhere near the elders.

    Else they may get hurt.

    Even though it is a hug from a kid I had to sterilize thoroughly. Don"t hug me again. You are delinquent and dirty.
    Dear Munusami Thatha,

    LOL You are more cute when you get angry, Thatha

    My hugs are unconditional and you can take as many baths as you want to make yourself pure, it is offered with unconditional acceptance of you as a human being.

    All humans cannot see finer points and ideas . Like you said you find yourself where you are. My view is that dense things only appeal to you. Christians and Muslims are body focused. The may talk about soul but pleasuring the body is all they live for until they give up the ghost. You too are body focused because you are obsessed with this gene thing.

    So you discovered this concept of God while you dabbled as a communist (yes everyone has heard that umpteen times). But that God is a concept in your mind. So you surrendered and fell in love with this concept of the mind (which cannot see the finer things due to focus in genes).

    That mind told you - 'Munz - you are endowed with Brahmins gene' - be obsessed with and cite some scientists. Then with this self love making started with focus on body. I am sure you got tattooed on the body and etched in the mind that you are a god lover. Then you can come here and chest thump "hear ye .. my genes are Brahmin genes - of course I am humble guy so I am not saying I am superior but you get the drift .. wink wink"

    The above is all gross.

    With body focused grossness, untouchability is what comes as a natural response.

    With denseness comes a low esteemed ego. It is always making you fight like a ninja warrior (basing on your own descriptions) That denseness can give rise to lack of peace of mind.Quoting some scriptures or using buzz words leaves a dense mind still dense.

    Finer thing is to see all human beings as basically the same and have no grudges against anyone.

    Therefore Thatha - hope you mature to finer things.
    With unconditional love let me pray that you find peace of mind

    Love and hugs
    Last edited by a-TB; 15-04-2018 at 08:46 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    I differ. You are perhaps meaning physicals. Like wealth-money, property etc.,

    I am speaking about knowledge. My being born in this century, in India, in Tamilnadu in a brahmin family is a given situation for me about which I have mentioned in my post. These were not my making and I had no control over these happenings. It is just that I am here with all these. I seek knowledge. I also find that I do not have to reinvent the wheel. The wheel is already there with all its mechanical advantages which are unique and are for ever. I just take it as it is and move ahead making use of it. The knowledge about the wheel is left by my ancestors to me. That is a part of the wealth that I talk about. The vedas are part of it and many other items are there.

    I acknowledge the treasure that has been left behind by the ancestors as treasure inherited by me along with others here. With this knowledge as the base I look for more of the knowledge. I look for answers to the numerous questions that arise in my mind. I find that there is a strong base available on which I can build. And it is just that. Hope I am clear.



    My genetics are real. I can not wish it away. Nor can I wipe it away. I can not do anything about it honestly. Good or bad, it is there and I take it in my stride. Name and form are the fundamentals of cognizance and communication. Without them you will be tying yourself in knots or will be lost for ever in the darkness of a pervasive vacuum. Name and form help us also in conveying ideas.

    I am sure you are aware that I have absolutely no complexes -inferior/superior-when I speak about my genetic origins unless someone wants me to discuss it and rubs it on me the wrong way. I am beyond that kind of immaturity. And I would request you to come out of this binary complex. When I mention my genetic origins, if someone jumps from his/her seat, I take it that he/she feels inferior and that is the undelying insecurity which makes her/him jump at me. Cool. I am not superior or inferior. I do not even think on those lines. But I am a brahmin and that is a given situation for me.



    My genetics are there for ever superimposed on me. I can not escape from it. And my identity is partly made up of my genetics. What people want is to forget my genetics because they have wrong notions about the genetics. As long as I do not harm you, as long as I am able to understand you, as long as I am able to empathise with you, as long as we are able to argue and arrive at conclusions, as long as we are able to recognize each other as a human being with plus and minuses, my genetics should not attract this much attention.

    If I am wrong on a point it is just that I am wrong. It is not that I am wrong because of my genetics. Similarly if I am right on something I do not think it is because of genetics. It is just that I am right for other reasons. When genetics gets converted into politics there comes a lot of misunderstanding and heat.



    Hope I have explained adequately.

    I am sad that I had to explain at all. But that is a cross every brahmin carries to his grave.

    I am glad that you got my points in my posts right. And thanks for engaging.

    I do not intend to reply to kids and TRRs here if they respond to this post. LOL. Period.
    Dear Vaagmi Ji...its not about feeling inferior or superior when anyone talks about genetics...its just that when Lord Krishna talks about surrender in terms of giving up all Dharma it seems like a disconnect to me that you have mentioned about Surrender yet you adhere to external identification.

    Everyone has a heritage and thats all there is to it.
    Yes its real but real in.the sense that its physical
    Its a heritage no doubt but merely data..genetic or lifestyle coded but that will never really define our trueselves.
    Its like knowing water is H2Obut we dont have to keep identifying with H2O when we drink it.

    Each person is unique finally..he has to realize this himself if he understands what surrender is totally all about.

    Its like a human who
    wants to go to heaven without shedding his mortal coil..genetics is a mortal coil.
    Last edited by renuka; 15-04-2018 at 09:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    Everyone has a heritage and thats all there is to it.
    Yes its real but real in.the sense that its physical
    Its a heritage no doubt but merely data..genetic or lifestyle coded but that will never really define our trueselves.
    Its like knowing water is H2Obut we dont have to keep identifying with H2O when we drink it.
    When the heritage is knowledge in some cases, and knowledge about non-physicals and about higher reality, and the inheritor starts with that knowledge and explores further I wont say "thats all there to it". There was more to it. The inheritor was lucky.

    Each person is unique finally..he has to realize this himself if he understands what surrender is totally all about.
    Yes.

    Its like a human who wants to go to heaven without shedding his mortal coil..genetics is a mortal coil.
    No I would phrase it this way:

    The human started off with the knowledge he inherited(being aware of it and being thankful to his ancestors for that), so explored further deeply, found the acquisitions(including all the knowledge thus acquired) to be a suffocating and unbearable burden. When knowledge became the burden, he gave up all that and surrendered. He was not looking for heaven, the pleasures there (girls - as a religion says) or any such exotic thing. He just surrendered. In that stage of surrender it was just this:

    "aham, madhrakshana bharo, madhrakshana phalam thathah na mama Sripathereva ithyaatmaanam nikshibeth bhudhaha."

    Any human who has genetics as his mortal coil will not have any use for the inherited knowledge. The inherited knowledge makes you get free of such mortal coils first.

    For onlookers - like you- it may look like the mortal coil is still around because the knowledge came from there for the human in question. But that cant be helped. That is the cross that is carried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    When the heritage is knowledge in some cases, and knowledge about non-physicals and about higher reality, and the inheritor starts with that knowledge and explores further I wont say "thats all there to it". There was more to it. The inheritor was lucky.

    Yes, the knowledge is about the special gene which is supposed to give finer knowledge (but the dense mind cannot be penetrated - that knowledge is not known yet)

    Yes.



    No I would phrase it this way:

    The human started off with the knowledge he inherited(being aware of it and being thankful to his ancestors for that), so explored further deeply, found the acquisitions(including all the knowledge thus acquired) to be a suffocating and unbearable burden. When knowledge became the burden, he gave up all that and surrendered. He was not looking for heaven, the pleasures there (girls - as a religion says) or any such exotic thing. He just surrendered. In that stage of surrender it was just this:

    There is this chest thumping - Hear hear - my gene and my ancestors, I am the chosen one. Poor me, what can I do - I find myself endowed with this gene and ancestors. I find myself here and keep looking at my equipment that god-concept gave me . I use my equipment for self love and self admiration.

    "aham, madhrakshana bharo, madhrakshana phalam thathah na mama Sripathereva ithyaatmaanam nikshibeth bhudhaha."

    Any human who has genetics as his mortal coil will not have any use for the inherited knowledge. The inherited knowledge makes you get free of such mortal coils first.

    No, it does not. Until the density of the mind is weakened, false obsession with special genes is given up and love of all beings is sensed in the mind

    For onlookers - like you- it may look like the mortal coil is still around because the knowledge came from there for the human in question. But that cant be helped. That is the cross that is carried.

    Onlookers - Hear hear - you are all screwed ; Look at me - I am with the special genes
    Responses in color - Not sure if you can get the message
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