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What is role of Tamil Brahmins in modern world.

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prasad1

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Some of the observation is True, but overall I did not like this blog.

I would like to get our groups comments.


Tamil Brahmin prefers to function (and function efficiently) from behind the scene, rather than thrust himself to the front, with all the hassles and hazards of overexposure and too public a presence. His preferred position is the row behind the throne (as when the pompous minister briefs the Press).

His passion for anonymity is notorious. His real successes are private ones secretly to be gloated over by himself or at the most in the intimacy of chosen friends. Even his jokes are private, with his cynical wit much in evidence when among intimates. His forte is wit rather than humour, unlike, say, the Punjabi's. He is a master of the double entendre and is an inveterate punster, often bilingual and sometimes even trilingual.

Tamil Brahmins as "the best second-rate men in the world." Rude as this remark is on the face of it, it is in many ways perceptive and could well be considered a compliment. (It is certainly better than being considered the worst first-rate men.) The sneer latches on to the central characteristic of a Tamil Brahmin — his instinctive preference for anonymous functionality behind the scene rather than high profile highfalutin from centre-stage. A Tamil Brahmin would readily endorse E M Foster's famous prayer: "Let no achievement on an imposing scale ever be mine."

This ineradicable modesty coexisting with proven competence is the reason why his preferred professions are the great anonymous ones, such as the Civil Service, where it is easy — indeed the required trait — to be "the faceless bureaucrat." He lets his nominal boss, the publicity-hungry politician, boast about policies whose details his ingenious mind has given legal and formal shape to, with all the ambiguities and obfuscations safely hidden in the fine print. Give him a brief of your intention, and he will give it a shape that would pass muster with a trusting public.

In the public sphere, the representative Tamil Brahmin is an apolitical pragmatist rather than a passionate ideologue, a trait that makes him an ideal public servant rather than a political leader.

A British Conservative of the 1960s famously said once: "Let the socialists dream their dreams and scheme their schemes: we Conservatives have a job to do." This sums up admirably the Working philosophy of the Tamil Brahmin administrator.


Typically, a Tamil Brahmin is a professional executive or administrator rather than a professional politician or entrepreneur or a labour leader. It can even be argued that this is a throw-forward of the ancient Varna taxonomy: of the Brahmin — the purohit and the counsellor, in contrast to the Kshatria (the forerunner of the modern-day politician), Vaisya (the prototype of today's entrepreneur) and the Labour leader, (the champion of the working class, the modern-day shudras.) Thus it is that you find that some of the greatest Diwans of Indian States of yore such as Seshadri Iyer, C P Ramaswami Iyer, T T Krishnamachari, and T Vijayaraghavachari were vintage Tamil Brahmins.




http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/05/tamil-brahmins-best-second-rate-men-in.html





 
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Ok...in summary..it seems that a TB is not a risk taker..he might be capable of more but not willing to leave his comfort zone.

Well to be honest..it all depends on what we truly desire..risk taking isnt easy either..it could make you big or break you big.

Westerners are huge risk takers..they dont fear failure partly becos their society is less judgmental even if one fails.

But for an Indian society...if one attempts big then fails right away everyone would say .." serves him right..what did he think he wanted to acheive..no wonder God showed him".

To some extent we Indians have been trained to fear failure and not see it as a stepping stone for sucess.
It has both pros and cons to not move out of our comfort zone..we want to play auto pilot..no harm in this if we are looking for a simple hassle free live...its less stressful too..then again too much fear of moving out of comfort zone might not bring out the best in us..it makes us good " yes boss" and nothing else.
 
What is role of Tamil Brahmins in modern world.
TN Seshan's comments on this in an interview some years back

They excel as any one of the 4 Cs

Carnatic musicians
Clerks
Cooks
Crooks!
 
Tamil Brahmins do not take risks. They are good only for government jobs.

These two statements are the biggest Propaganda against the Tamil Brahmins.

The facts are

Most of the industries in Tamil Nadu have been started by Tamil Brahmins. Even today they are by far the largest owners of Industries.

1. TVS group
2. Simpsons group.
3. India Cement
4. TTK group

I can go on.

You go to any Industrial estate you would find Brahmins have the largest number of Industries.

T.N. Seshans comments are irrelevant.
 
Exceptions are not the Norm.
Yes, there are exceptions.

The op is about the average TB, I think it fits well.
 
Right from the days of Ramayana and Mahabharatha, Brahmins are depicted as physically weak, not bold and not fit for fighting enemies. They are meant only for protecting the Religion.

This is very clearly exhibited during 1950s and 1960s when Brahmins were taken for a ride in the name of rationalism.

If Tamil Brahmins followed Bharathiar, who emphasised on practising Rowthram, the situation could have been different. The community lacks very progressive and aggressive leaders to show the right path.
 
Most of the modern Brahmins know how to make money! :popcorn:

Not many are interested in vaidheekam.

Most of the middle class vaidheekaas send their sons abroad.

They get their daughters married to doctors and engineers!

And..... most of the mAmAs whose children are NRIs, wear Bermudas! :)

MAmis never miss a chance to brag about their foreign visits. ;)
 
TN Seshan's comments were about Palghat Brahmins and were in a context. Those were not about all brahmins. He had limited knowledge and his knowledge was about the Palghat Brahmins as he was from there.
 
TN Seshan's comments were about Palghat Brahmins and were in a context. Those were not about all brahmins. He had limited knowledge and his knowledge was about the Palghat Brahmins as he was from there.
OMG!

T N S is not a Carnatic musician; not a clerk; not a cook!

So, is he a c----?? ;)
 
TN Seshan's comments were about Palghat Brahmins and were in a context. Those were not about all brahmins. He had limited knowledge and his knowledge was about
the Palghat Brahmins as he was from there.

True he was talking about Palghat Brahmins

Hmmm. Sri. T. N. Seshan's comments also are 'C'.(post#11)

He made some interesting comments on the song ' Hmma Hmma Hmma ' - (AR Rehman ) also - When asked about his interest in music - I don't remember that exactly Do you?
 
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If the comments of Sri T N Seshan about Palghat Brahmins are true, it shows his views are about Brahmins of previous generations, and doesn't fit in to modern Brahmins, who have changed a lot.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
If the comments of Sri T N Seshan about Palghat Brahmins are true, it shows his views are about Brahmins of previous generations, and doesn't fit in to modern Brahmins, who have changed a lot.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
hi sir,

the stenograhers/clerks are replaced by software engineers...kind of data entry/developers...
 
Sad to see we (TamBrahms) ourselves belittle us. On the other hand see how the Patels in Guj, Maratha in Maharashtra, Yadavs in UP and Bihar fight for their rights and always show their strengths Politically, Financially and Socially.

Cmon TamBrahms no body gives high marks for belittling oneself, do they?? We need to show case our strengths in such a way that all our weaknesses become insignificant.

Or else be ready to be extinct in the next 200 yrs. Already many of the new generation is moving away from our way of life and marrying in other castes, if we continue to have this self-deprecating attitude the day not far when our great grand children will face the same situation like the Yazidis of Syria. BEWARE!!!! WE HAVE A VERY IMP RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS, MAKE THEM FEEL PROUD OF THEIR CULTURE AND ANCESTORS.
 
One of the 'Cs' is Civil Servants and not Carnatic Musians.
 
hi sir,

the stenograhers/clerks are replaced by software engineers...kind of data entry/developers...

Mr T N Seshan is from Tirunellai village also known as Tirulakkadavu on the banks of KannadI river in Palakkad. This is one of the two villages among the 18 villages or Agraharams, where the Brahmins or Pattars sport Namam like Sri Vaishnavas, since these Smarthas claim that their forefathers had migrated from Srirangam or Kanchipuram. The other one is Pallipuram, brought with them the Vaishnavaite influence on their rituals and practices, have mostly Vaishnavaite names and pay obeisance to the Jeer at Srirangam and not to the Sankaracharyas. Only T N Seshan, at a personal level, became a disciple of the Kanchi Acharya. His brother Mr T N Lakshminarayanan IAS was a meritorious student in his batch.
As per newspaper reports Mr. Seshan stayed at the old age home in Chennai for nearly three years and then returned to his home. However, he had recently returned to live at the Home again with his wife.

Palakkad Brahmins were scholars in Vedas or other branches like Astrology, Medicine etc. it is because of the level of scholarship of the Brahmins that they could join the ICS or IAS to become great administrators.
Few Brahmins of villages Pallipuram and Thirunallayi took to the profession of private Bankers.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
Mr T N Seshan is from Tirunellai village also known as Tirulakkadavu on the banks of KannadI river in Palakkad. This is one of the two villages among the 18 villages or Agraharams, where the Brahmins or Pattars sport Namam like Sri Vaishnavas, since these Smarthas claim that their forefathers had migrated from Srirangam or Kanchipuram. The other one is Pallipuram, brought with them the Vaishnavaite influence on their rituals and practices, have mostly Vaishnavaite names and pay obeisance to the Jeer at Srirangam and not to the Sankaracharyas. Only T N Seshan, at a personal level, became a disciple of the Kanchi Acharya. His brother Mr T N Lakshminarayanan IAS was a meritorious student in his batch.
As per newspaper reports Mr. Seshan stayed at the old age home in Chennai for nearly three years and then returned to his home. However, he had recently returned to live at the Home again with his wife.

Palakkad Brahmins were scholars in Vedas or other branches like Astrology, Medicine etc. it is because of the level of scholarship of the Brahmins that they could join the ICS or IAS to become great administrators.
Few Brahmins of villages Pallipuram and Thirunallayi took to the profession of private Bankers.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
hi

i belong to this sect..my forefathers from these two villages in palakkad and same in singanallur in coimbatore...WE ARE

CALLED KEETHU NAAMAKARA VADAMAS....shri T N seshan belongs to this sect.....mainly vaishanava sampradaya among smarthas...

we follow sri andavan shramam panchangam of srirangam...we are NOT followers of kanchi/any sankaracharya mutt..this is

very peculiar sect among smarthas/vadamas...
 
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One of my near ones is married to a banker from Thirunellayi village.

She jokingly says that she got married to an IyyangAr, by mistake!! ;)

They visit the mutt in Srirangam every year. :pray2:
 
Ram's uncle took me along with him, when he visited a friend in a senior resort.

I met the sweet looking Mrs. T N S, who was visiting the same lady!

She was very friendly with us.
 
One of my near ones is married to a banker from Thirunellayi village.

She jokingly says that she got married to an IyyangAr, by mistake!! ;)

They visit the mutt in Srirangam every year. :pray2:

RajI Madam,

How do I know about this village ? Yes, one of my close friends and classmate in College is from this place, (his wife is from Pallipuram), he is now continuing the family profession "Banking" in Palakkad. He took me to his house in Thirunallayi once. He told that the the அடை prepared in this place a speciality called " Thirulakkadavu Adai " !

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
RajI Madam,

How do I know about this village ? Yes, one of my close friends and classmate in College is from this place, (his wife is from Pallipuram), he is now continuing the family profession "Banking" in Palakkad. He took me to his house in Thirunallayi once. He told that the the அடை prepared in this place a speciality called " Thirulakkadavu Adai " !

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
hi

this is called thirulakkadavu kara....
 
Dear Brahmanyan Sir,

Your classmate should be my brother in law's cousin!! :D

'veRum arisi adai' made using the light pink coloured 'kAra arisi' is the famous item!! :hungry:
 
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