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In landmark decision supreme court allows passive euthanasia

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The surprising fact about this forum is that you do not get any response for matters which is of concern to the members. Someone attacks Brahmins in Chennai and cuts off The Poonal. No response in this forum. Euthanasia a which is of relevance to all senior citizens gets no response.

This forum has lost its meaning. It is only cut and paste from the popular media. Nothing original anymore. This is a reflection of the Brahmin community in general. They have lost all relevance.
 
The surprising fact about this forum is that you do not get any response for matters which is of concern to the members. Someone attacks Brahmins in Chennai and cuts off The Poonal. No response in this forum. Euthanasia a which is of relevance to all senior citizens gets no response.

This forum has lost its meaning. It is only cut and paste from the popular media. Nothing original anymore. This is a reflection of the Brahmin community in general. They have lost all relevance.


Sir,

I partially agree with you.

We can foresee a heated discussion on this thread but possibly not about Passive euthanasia but about C n P

No doubt it is an historic judgement

Every Media is highlighting the significance of the news in their own style which deals with the fundamental rights of persons who are terminally ill to refuse treatment and die with dignity.... it deals with meaningful existence and execution of Living Will.

Now about this Living Will, I would to share this link here ...

What it should contain?

The circumstances in which medical treatment should be withheld or withdrawn

It should specify that the Will can be revoked any time

It should give the name of the “guardian or close relative” who will give the go-ahead for starting the procedure of passive euthanasia
If there are more than one Living Will, the latest one will be valid.

How to preserve it?

The Will shall be attested by two independent witnesses and preferrably counter-signed by the Judicial Magistrate First Class (JMFC) assigned the jurisdiction by the District Court.

The JMFC shall preserve one hard copy, along with one in the digital format, in his office.

JMFC shall forward a copy of the Will to the Registry of the District Court

JMFC shall inform the immediate family of the executor, if not informed.

A copy will be handed over to an official in the local government or municipal corporation or municipality or panchayat concerned. This authority shall nominate a custodian for the Living Will.

Read more at: http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...nd-what-should-it-contain/article23011844.ece
 
VB Ji,
FINALLY an historical judgement delivered by a Five-judge constitution bench of the SUPREME COURT OF INDIA to accept PASSIVE EUTHANASIA, with a heavy heart, which allows a suffering patient to die with dignity and honour. Thereby put an end to the prolonged physical pain, mental agony of the suffering patient which are all beyond his control and even by medical practitioners.
 
......... This forum has lost its meaning. It is only cut and paste from the popular media. Nothing original anymore. This is a reflection of the Brahmin community in general. They have lost all relevance.
Sadly, very true, Sir!

And ..... Truth is bitter! :sad:
 
VB Ji,
FINALLY an historical judgement delivered by a Five-judge constitution bench of the SUPREME COURT OF INDIA to accept PASSIVE EUTHANASIA, with a heavy heart, which allows a suffering patient to die with dignity and honour. Thereby put an end to the prolonged physical pain, mental agony of the suffering patient which are all beyond his control and even by medical practitioners.


Dhikshitha Ji,

Is it not the responsibility of medical science to ensure that every human gets his due share of prolonged life….??

And this prolonged life need to be also healthy??

As most of the diseases are curable, is it not our responsibility to ensure the quality of our life with good habit, good food, exercise and happy environment…???
 
What is Euthanasia?

Active Euthanasia:
Death caused by lethal injection or drugs, includes physician-assisted suicide. The practice is illegal in most countries.

Passive Euthanasia: When doctors don’t provide, or remove patients from, life-sustaining treatment. Includes:

*Disconnecting life-support machines, feeding tubes, not carrying out life-saving operations, not providing life-extending drugs

*Non-treatment not seen as the cause of death; patient understood to have died because of an underlying condition

What are living wills:


* Where individuals can express their wish at a prior point in time, when capable of making informed decisions, regarding their medical treatment in the future, when they may not be able to make an informed decision.

*Exercise of the right to refuse treatment and the right to die with dignity.

Australia:
Living wills to be signed in presence of two witnesses, with rules on who can be witness: Not if he/ she 1) is a substitute decision-maker in the living will, 2) stands to profit, directly or indirectly, from the person’s estate or 3) is a health practitioner for the person writing the living will.


Is there safeguards built into the system? How do we know that it will not be misused by family members?
 
The debate on the living will and the connected issues of euthanasia seem to surface at regular intervals only to be debated and then “put to bed” as a topic to be discussed later, as if the logic or the need of the affected families will change to a more acceptable narrative. Passive euthanasia was accepted as a legitimate option to end the lives of those in a permanent vegetative state more than six years ago in India.

Let us examine the concept of a living will from an emotional perspective given our cultural and religious realities. Further, the family members have to bear huge medical costs. In addition, they have to pay significant legal costs as well to try and get approval from our already overburdened courts.

When a family member goes into a coma families lose most of their savings and in several cases have to sell off their assets to sustain this life sustaining treatment. They recognize that there is no hope for their loved one but the social stigma of not providing medical support drives them to financial destruction. Would the unwell patient, young or old, want the family members to spend all their savings and sell their assets? There will be thousands of examples of unethical chemists outside government owned medical colleges who focus on how to acquire the property of these relatives in return for the much needed but futile medication for the patients. In addition to the financial drain, we should also look at the significant time commitment of members of the family as well as emotional impact on the affected family members.


If a set of doctors certify that, a person is unlikely to recover and come out of a coma, should this not be acceptable to release the person from suffering and the family from financial ruin?

https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/mentor-counsel-coach/living-will/
 
"This is an important, historic decision, which clears the air," said Supreme Court lawyer Prashant Bhushan.
"Everybody will breathe a sigh of relief, because people were earlier apprehensive that if they withdrew life support, they could be prosecuted for culpable homicide," he added.

Bhushan had filed a petition to the Supreme Court on behalf of a registered society, Common Cause, seeking recognition of the right to establish a living will.


"The court has held that an individual has a full right to decide that he should not take any kind of medical treatment or that he should not be kept alive by artificial life support systems," Bhushan added.


The 538-page judgment places management of terminally ill patients at the center stage.


"It has been highlighted that determination of the seemly criteria will keep the element of misuse by the family members or the treating physician or, for that matter, any interested person at bay and also remove the confusion," the panel notes.

Dr. Naresh Trehan, head of Medanta Heart Institute near New Delhi said the living will "opens itself to abuse. That's where the sanctity of the process will be important."

A competent committee would comprise doctors, lawyers, social activists and the local administration of the hospital, Trehan said.

https://www.voanews.com/a/india-supreme-court-euthanasia-living-will/4287892.html
 
Dhikshitha Ji,

Is it not the responsibility of medical science to ensure that every human gets his due share of prolonged life….??

And this prolonged life need to be also healthy??

As most of the diseases are curable, is it not our responsibility to ensure the quality of our life with good habit, good food, exercise and happy environment…???

VB Ji
From my point of view, result of the realization of the responsibility IS vested with the Government, WHO have established hospitals, medical colleges and research institutions of super speciality, in medical and surgical disciplines with a view to ensure and extend good medical assistance to the mankind who are in need.. It would be very difficult to ensure or give guarantee either by the Government or by the Doctors/Surgeons to a patient for a prolonged life by doing medical miracles. Human life is limited. Ailments could not be forecast before it descends on an individual.

Secondly so granted prolonged life by medical fraternity will not long lost with the same state of health condition continuously and either Doctors or Government Agencies could not follow him for any further check up or review to give him good healthy medicines and advise because he might have moved from the place of address given by him earlier. So there is no possibility of guaranteeing health care or follow up after any treatment unless the patient turns for review or treatment.

Yes it is the boundened duty /responsibility of the Government to ensure good quality of life, food, environment to its people as a whole. But the drawback they encounter to execute such a novel system is enormous population they face. The Government doesn't have enough financial strength to execute its novel schemes . MONEY IS THE ONLY PROBLEM. EVERY GOOD HEALTHY SCHEMES IMPLEMENTED BY THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE PUBLIC IS SHELVED FOR WANT OF BUDGET ALLOTMENT OR BY ANY POLITICAL INTERFERENCE. THE ONLY WAY LEFT BEFORE IS IMPLEMENTATION OF POPULATION CONTROL SCHEME AS THE PRESENT POPULATION INCREASED BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS. . AGAIN THE DEMAND OF GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE TO LEAD A HEALTHY LIFE IS PROVISION OF GOOD HOSPITALS, , EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS,, ROAD TRANSPORT SYSTEM, GOOD ROADS, TO THE PEOPLE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED PROPORTIONATE DEMAND. IT EXISTS ON THE OLD LINES WARRANTING AGITATION FROM NOOK AND CORNER.
 
Sadly, very true, Sir!

And ..... Truth is bitter! :sad:


Yes...


Look at postings Nos 9, 10 and 11

All are C n P postings

It is the desired choice of few members

Out of 20-25 regular postings, except hardly one or two, 99% are C n P including BABA mail.
 
It is only cut and paste from the popular media. Nothing original anymore. .


You are right sir.


1)
What is Euthanasia?

Active Euthanasia: Death caused by lethal injection or drugs, includes physician-assisted suicide. The practice is illegal in most countries.

Passive Euthanasia: When doctors don’t provide, or remove patients from, life-sustaining treatment. Includes:

*Disconnecting life-support machines, feeding tubes, not carrying out life-saving operations, not providing life-extending drugs

…………………………….
…………………………..

Is there safeguards built into the system? How do we know that it will not be misused by family members?


2)
The debate on the living will and the connected issues of euthanasia seem to surface at regular intervals only to be debated and then “put to bed” as a topic to be discussed later, as if the logic or the need of the affected families will change to a more acceptable narrative. Passive euthanasia was accepted as a legitimate option to end the lives of those in a permanent vegetative state more than six years ago in India.

Let us examine the concept of a living will from an emotional perspective given our cultural and religious realities. Further, the family members have to bear huge medical costs. In addition, they have to pay significant legal costs as well to try and get approval from our already overburdened courts.

…………………………………..
If a set of doctors certify that, a person is unlikely to recover and come out of a coma, should this not be acceptable to release the person from suffering and the family from financial ruin?

https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/mentor-counsel-coach/living-will/[/QUOTE]

3)
"This is an important, historic decision, which clears the air," said Supreme Court lawyer Prashant Bhushan.

"Everybody will breathe a sigh of relief, because people were earlier apprehensive that if they withdrew life support, they could be prosecuted for culpable homicide," he added.

Bhushan had filed a petition to the Supreme Court on behalf of a registered society, Common Cause, seeking recognition of the right to establish a living will.

"The court has held that an individual has a full right to decide that he should not take any kind of medical treatment or that he should not be kept alive by artificial life support systems," Bhushan added.

The 538-page judgment places management of terminally ill patients at the center stage.
………………………………
A competent committee would comprise doctors, lawyers, social activists and the local administration of the hospital, Trehan said.

https://www.voanews.com/a/india-supreme-court-euthanasia-living-will/4287892.html[/QUOTE]



The first and second postings are perhaps from Times of India and third and last one is from voannews.

Now I agree with you.
 
The surprising fact about this forum is that you do not get any response for matters which is of concern to the members. Someone attacks Brahmins in Chennai and cuts off The Poonal. No response in this forum. Euthanasia a which is of relevance to all senior citizens gets no response.

This forum has lost its meaning. It is only cut and paste from the popular media. Nothing original anymore. This is a reflection of the Brahmin community in general. They have lost all relevance.


I have a small doubt:

Was the original post not "cut and Paste"? Or was that "original thinking".

The people who complain should first look themselves in the mirror.

pointing+finger.jpg


When you point finger at others to blame the ills of the society, there are 3 fingers pointing back at you.


If you are beyond reproach, then only you should criticise others.

Raj Kumar expressed it much better in the film Waqt.

[video=youtube_share;AT_-q2mkKTs]https://youtu.be/AT_-q2mkKTs[/video]





Mr. Nachiji you are an occasional visitors to this site, you have been a member since 2007.


So let us keep it in perspective.

I apologize in advance if this post offends you, but like someone said: "truth is bitter".
 
I too do not understand why this C
& P is such a big deal.

The only 2 persons who are very original in Forum are
VR ji and RR Ji..they both share tips and also VR ji shares about her experiences in life.

The rest of us are mostly C & P and some have original thought of a delusional kind! LOL

BTW..some of us have threads that no one ever responds too.

Frankly speaking Euthanasia does not interest me even though its related to my job field.

No one can stop anyone to live or die in the real sense.

I am sure the thread will take off well now cos everyone will C & P and some would " attack" a poster or two.

Thats all there is.
 
VB Ji
The Government doesn't have enough financial strength to execute its novel schemes . MONEY IS THE ONLY PROBLEM. EVERY GOOD HEALTHY SCHEMES IMPLEMENTED BY THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE PUBLIC IS SHELVED FOR WANT OF BUDGET ALLOTMENT OR BY ANY POLITICAL INTERFERENCE. .


Dhikshita Ji,

I agree with you that funds are one of the problems.

I mean budget allocation for Health services.

As for as I know that Tamil Nadu Government is cash starved. Just read a couple days back that the Government is living beyond its means. The State seems to envisage a revenue deficit of more than 15,000 crores.

With vagabond freebies, free power supply up to 100 units for every domestic consumer. that offering a subsidy of Rs.25,000/= to buy a two wheeler under Amma Scooter scheme, Co-operative loan waiver scheme, Tamil Nadu has become one of the most indebted States in India. With introduction of GST, there appears to be no scope for increasing the revenue by levying more tax. They can only raise the taxes on fuel and liquor or can tune up the administration and plug the loopholes and save money.

With poor service in Government Hospitals, poor attention, shortage of life saving drugs, poor facilities, general public opt for Private Hospitals where Health Service is commercialized. They are money-minded and try to change for everything thing by prescribing more tests.

You can find in some of the patients who slip into irreversible coma, the kith and kins will have pressure and the entire family will be struggling to take care of such patients. Leave alone the expenses involved in such treatment. In such cases, the patients, unable tolerate with the sufferings, may deliberately request to hasten the death by withdrawing the Medical support.
Right to dignity includes right to refuse treatment and die with dignity.

Though we have the Judgement which is long due, delivered now, there are several steps we have to pass through in getting this implemented in society.

Let us wait and watch…..
 
I too do not understand why this C
& P is such a big deal.

The only 2 persons who are very original in Forum are
VR ji and RR Ji..they both share tips and also VR ji shares about her experiences in life.

The rest of us are mostly C & P and some have original thought of a delusional kind! LOL

BTW..some of us have threads that no one ever responds too.

Frankly speaking Euthanasia does not interest me even though its related to my job field.

No one can stop anyone to live or die in the real sense.

I am sure the thread will take off well now cos everyone will C & P and some would " attack" a poster or two.

Thats all there is.


BTWdoes a Veteran of this Forum, who has joined in 2007 really needs to be informed as to who postoriginal thinking and who post C n P and dilute threads.

For some, hailing or lamenting others gives a kick indeed. It is routine for them.,
 
VB Ji
From my point of view, result of the realization of the responsibility IS vested with the Government, WHO have established hospitals, medical colleges and research institutions of super speciality, in medical and surgical disciplines with a view to ensure and extend good medical assistance to the mankind who are in need.. It would be very difficult to ensure or give guarantee either by the Government or by the Doctors/Surgeons to a patient for a prolonged life by doing medical miracles. Human life is limited. Ailments could not be forecast before it descends on an individual.

.


Dhikshita Ji,

I don’t know as to what is your idea about the conditions of treatment for patients at Government Hospitals…

But I have video which was just released just half an hour back, speaks volume and exposes the apathy of patients….

Here an amputated leg was used as a pillow to a patient.

To read more click here
 
BTWdoes a Veteran of this Forum, who has joined in 2007 really needs to be informed as to who postoriginal thinking and who post C n P and dilute threads.

For some, hailing or lamenting others gives a kick indeed. It is routine for them.,

See what I mean?
I did say the thread will get active..its all about pasting urls or just some comments��
 
Dear Renu,

Thanks for your support. :)

It is always good to IGNORE a few 'postings' ... oops... posts,

to keep :cool: in our dear forum.
 
The only 2 persons who are very original in Forum are
VR ji and RR Ji..they both share tips and also VR ji shares about her experiences in life.

.

I sincerely recommend, but I have enough knowledge as to how the writings by some were defined by veterans in real sense who are not very active nowadays.

Anyway, I don’t think that this Forum has any practice of conferring titles and awarding medals for postings which are nothing but ...............?

Lies always spread faster
 
Some 'oops' in this Forum will attract flood of 'oops' that will be followed now.

Sailing against such winds, tides and rough weather is really interesting.

Thanks God for those 'oops'.
 
There may be patients who will be contributing the Insurance policies

In case of such deaths, the Insurance Companies will hopefully only consider it as suicide and may deny the full sum assured to the nominees.

And this judgement may have impact on multiple life insurance policies if the end of such patients are NOT to be considered as ‘normal death’.

The reports says that if the policy holder, who is a patient, decided to kill himself, by denying treatment, within one year from the date of policy, the policy holder’s kin would get no money at all.

So, this is the other side of the judgement leading to some confusion to the Insurance policy holders, deciding.....

I think, while this may prove a relief to the patient, it is not so to the kin of the patient most of whom wanted to 'let him go'.
 
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