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    Quote Originally Posted by athimber View Post
    I support the idea of opening the temples at mid night during new year. Many temples in North India does that. Although Gregoian newyear has no religious importance for us Hindus, I still prefer people coming to temples for celebrations than going to Pubs and Clubs. Culturally this new year may not ibe important to us, but there is no rule culture can be changed. Before any new beginning we pray God, so can't we adopt this change for a good rather than spending it on Clubs and beer bars which also do not add any substance to our culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    ...............In my personal opinion..I feel intellect is the greatest stumbling block in devotion.
    Its totally fine to use the intellect but its best not to think of terms of higher or lower intellectual choice of prayer after all Lord Krishna did not really call ritualists belonging to a higher intellect.
    That is a vaishnavite speaking. LOL.
    Na dharma nishtosmi ============> knowledge.
    Na ca Atma vEdhi ==============> knowledge
    Na bhaktimAn==================>knowledge
    akinchana, ananyagatihi============>No intellect and so no knowledge just nothing. No other refuge.
    twatpadamoolam sharanam prapatyE=====> total surrender to God.

    That is the essence of vaishnavism.

    The sloka from Alawandar's Stotra Ratnam:

    Na dharma nishtosmi, na ca AtmavEdhi,
    na bhaktimaans twachcharanaaravindhE
    akinchano ananyagatissaranya
    twatpadamoolam saranam prapatyE.

    Just a caveat:

    It requires in the first place Knowledge to know what a great burden it is.

    When a Lion leaps from the top of a rocky cliff to another it crosses a deep river gorge below. A lice (a parasite that lives on the lion) also crosses the deep river below along with the lion when the lion leaps because lice lives in its own world on the body of the lion.

    So while discussing such matters the term intellect is used in a neutral sense without any ego coming in the equation. We are using English an alien language to express ideas.

    The man who offered arrack and cigar as well as the man who stood silently and prayed before the god both worshipped the God entity. But the two experiences were different.

    Yes it was the deep gorge below which was crossed--by the lion and the parasite.

    Please perceive.
    Last edited by Vaagmi; 29-12-2017 at 09:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaagmi View Post
    That is a vaishnavite speaking. LOL.
    Na dharma nishtosmi ============> knowledge.
    Na ca Atma vEdhi ==============> knowledge
    Na bhaktimAn==================>knowledge
    akinchana, ananyagatihi============>No intellect and so no knowledge just nothing. No other refuge.
    twatpadamoolam sharanam prapatyE=====> total surrender to God.

    That is the essence of vaishnavism.

    The sloka from Alawandar's Stotra Ratnam:

    Na dharma nishtosmi, na ca AtmavEdhi,
    na bhaktimaans twachcharanaaravindhE
    akinchano ananyagatissaranya
    twatpadamoolam saranam prapatyE.

    Just a caveat:

    It requires in the first place Knowledge to know what a great burden it is.

    When a Lion leaps from the top of a rocky cliff to another it crosses a deep river gorge below. A lice (a parasite that lives on the lion) also crosses the deep river below along with the lion when the lion leaps because lice lives in its own world on the body of the lion.

    So while discussing such matters the term intellect is used in a neutral sense without any ego coming in the equation. We are using English an alien language to express ideas.

    The man who offered arrack and cigar as well as the man who stood silently and prayed before the god both worshipped the God entity. But the two experiences were different.

    Yes it was the deep gorge below which was crossed--by the lion and the parasite.

    Please perceive.
    The one who offered the arrack and cigar could have just offered it out of love sans desire.
    The one who stood in silent communion too could have just stood there out of love sans desire.
    Outwardly their actions differed but their experience could have been the same.

    So how can I judge the depth of devotion of anyone be it parasite or lion?

    It was one small leap for the Lion but one giant leap for the parasite...why judge?
    Let them both enjoy the moment.
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    Minor Nit pick: A lice => louse
    Another minor nit pick: Vaishnavism => Krishna but Krishna => Jagat Sansar (not just Vaishnavism).
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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    The one who offered the arrack and cigar could have just offered it out of love sans desire.
    The one who stood in silent communion too could have just stood there out of love sans desire.
    Outwardly their actions differed but their experience could have been the same.

    So how can I judge the depth of devotion of anyone be it parasite or lion?

    It was one small leap for the Lion but one giant leap for the parasite...why judge?
    Let them both enjoy the moment.
    For the lion it was a big leap indeed. So it thought I should not eat too much of fat as it adds to my weight. The extra pound makes it that much more difficult to leap. So the weight became a burden. And thus knowledge too becomes a burden and makes the leap to reach god difficult.
    For the parasite there was no leap whatsoever. It just stayed wherever it was happily and yet was at a new spatial coordinates after the leap of the lion. It knew just this much that there was a sudden rush of blood at high pressure in the vein of the lion into which it had bored a hole for sucking its sustenance. It also perhaps realised that its food was more tasty because of the chemicals released into the blood when the lion leapt. It did not have the benefit of all this knowledge and so it was neither happy nor sad about its spatial movement.
    So knowledge is a burden. But there is no escape from it. And only when you have it you get the desire to dump it all.
    All this is from an onlooker who has gone through all this including the craving to dump / jettison it all. So he does not sit in judgment of anyone. He just observes and states and he has to manage this task with an inadequate medium --a language. He does not identify himself completely with either the lion - the silent worshipper- or the lice- the arrack and cigar offering Bhakta.
    Yes. Each one worships with his equipment. Period.
    Last edited by Vaagmi; 30-12-2017 at 03:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biswa View Post
    (1)Minor Nit pick: A lice => louse
    (2)Another minor nit pick: Vaishnavism => Krishna but Krishna => Jagat Sansar (not just Vaishnavism).
    (1) Good nit picking. When mind races furiously about leaping and reaching a higher plane, the singular and plural and rules for use of articles all merge and become one huge mass weighing heavily. So it is better to forget or dump and for onookers to forgive the liberties taken. Any way it is English and I am not born an anglo saxon. LOL. Thanks.

    (2) This is not nit pick. Obviously this is red rag. Let me see how furiously the bull charges at me.
    vaishnavism===>not only Krishna but also Rama, Nrisimha, Vamana, Sridhara, matsya, Srivaraha, Parasurama and many more including at another level Siva, Rudra, Parmeshwar, Parvathi, Subrahmanya etc., etc., including the jagat Sansar.
    Proof:
    You chant every day "Keno upAyena laghunA vishnOre nAma ............. and the answer by Parmeshwar "Sri Rama Rama RamEthi, ramE rAmE manOramE sahasra nAma tattulyam Rama nAma varAnanE.........

    And at another level you may be chanting "nArayana parabrahma tatvam nArAyanappara..........."

    Is the bull going to charge?

    I am waiting -- not as a matador but as the young man in a manju virattu. LOL.
    Last edited by Vaagmi; 30-12-2017 at 04:41 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbs View Post
    so called hinduism is flexible for anything and everything....
    Really? Only Namam and no cross in Tirumala!

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...le22340017.ece
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    I have whether people thronged to temples at midnight elsewhere!

    Our colony temple had the usual timing only to .
    But.............. one motorbike guy roamed all night in this area, after getting RID of the silencer of his vehicle!
    Added to this noise pollution, we heard lots of crackers from 9.30 p.m last night, to the wee hours of the New Year Day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    welcome back.

    Well written opinion.

    Thanks Mr. Prasad.
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    The matter is sub judice in madras high court....

    And incidentally, the judge though admitted the petition did not consider it that critical to issue any interim order before 31st Dec17...

    What happened to sani singhapur and the dargah at mumbai... these court decisions may also go in the same way.... Freedom for all, freedom always....!!!

    Let us wait and see
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