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    Rest in Peace: What does it mean ?

    It's become a common practice to say RIP (Rest in Peace) when someone passes away. Is is culturally accurate?

    We ought to understand the implication of words we say.

    For example "RIP" implies that the person is going to sleep/rest in their graves until the day of second coming of Jesus/ Al-Mahadi comes back and resurrects their body.

    The Last Judgment, Final Judgment, Day of Judgment, Judgment Day, or The Day of the Lord or in Islam Yawm al-Qiyamah or Yawm ad-Din is part of the eschatological world view of the Abrahamic religions.

    Everyone who has ever lived will be brought back to life in some form to face the final judgement along with those still living.

    Christian View


    The phrase “rest in peace,” often abbreviated “R.I.P.,” comes from the Latin blessing requiescat in pace (literally, “may he begin to rest in peace”). It is usually biblical thing to say.

    To say someone who has died is going to “Rest in Peace” fits much better with the biblical saying that “the dead know nothing” (Ecc 9:5) and that they “sleep in the dust of the earth” (Dan 12:2) and that it is Jesus the Christ who at his return (1 Cor. 15:23) will call the dead out of the sleep of non-existence and back to life – “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28-29).

    In summary, according to the Christian view, a dead person's body awaits resurrection while their soul enters heaven or hell and stays there forever. Resurrected beings (bodies once again with their souls) face the final judgement and then enter heaven or hell as whole; but that shall not happen until the end of the world - the Judgement day, the Rapture.

    Islamic View

    The coming of Imam Mahdi is one of the signs of Qiyamah as is the belief of the Ahlus-Sunnah and he has yet to appear. Abdullah ibn Masu`d has reported that the Prophet has said:
    "The world will not pass away before the Arabs are ruled by a man (referring to Mahdi) of my family whose name will be the same as mine"

    (Abu Dawud).


    Muslims also believe that the coming of the Day of Reckoning is a certainty, as Allah has said in the Qur'an:-

    “This is because verily Allah, He is the reality, and because He gives life unto the dead, and because verily He has power over all things. And that the Hour (of resurrection) is to come, there is no doubt therein, and that Allah will raise up those in the grave” (Qur’an, 22:6-7)


    That will be the day of Qiyamat and the faithful people will be resurrected by the command of Allah.

    Also,

    “Said he: “This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord (i.e., Resurrection) comes to pass, He will level it with the ground; and the promise of my Lord is true.” And We will let them that day to dash into one another. And the trumpet will be blown; then We will gather them all together.” (Qu’ran, 18:92-99)


    In summary, Islamic views about resurrection are more or less the same as Christians.



    Body is central to the A-brahmic belief system, hence the burial- which is a form of preservation (of sorts) and belief that it'll be alright once again.


    Sanatan view



    In Sanatan Dharma the body is just a vehicle, a temporary refuge, Aatma is indestructible. Atma basically means your eternal self, the spiritual essence of who you are. It is not the body you inhabit; nor is it not the sum total of your material possessions. It is the spiritual you. People often confuse 'Soul' - the Western Judeo-Christian concept with 'Aatma'. The former system tends to believe when a person dies their soul travels on to heaven or hell. In other words, paradise or eternal suffering are the end of the road. On the other hand the aatma carries on its journey with reincarnations, until the day its Karmic path and spiritual knowledge leads it to Moksha. An appropriate phrase, for a Hindu who has passed away, would be "may the departed aatma attain moksha" , "Om Shanti" (or something similar).


    In summary, according to the Sanatan Dharmic view, a dead person's body is destroyed while their aatma (not the same as concept of soul) enters heaven or hell temporarily and then takes rebirth and this cycle continues until the aatma attains moksha (become one with Bhagwan,above and beyond the heaven or hell ).


    http://shankhnaad.net/heritage/myth-...t-does-it-mean
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    Informative.
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    When attending funerals and filling up the condolence book..all I write is Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.

    Wonder if that sounds like rest in peace?
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    according to the Christian view, a dead person's body awaits resurrection while their soul enters heaven or hell and stays there forever. Resurrected beings (bodies once again with their souls) face the final judgement and then enter heaven or hell as whole; but that shall not happen until the end of the world - the Judgement day, the Rapture.


    ^I read the above and couldn't understand it.

    1. Does it mean according to Christian belief, there is only 1 life, followed by death - heaven/hell for the soul - resurrection - judgement day - heaven or hell again for the resurrected body?

    2. If yes for question 1, then what is the difference between being destined to heaven or hell as a soul alone and later the same heaven or hell as a resurrected body? Why the body is needed?

    I would appreciate clarification from anyone who knows better, also scholarly and simple articles are appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.J. View Post
    Rest in Peace: What does it mean ?

    It's become a common practice to say RIP (Rest in Peace) when someone passes away. Is is culturally accurate?

    We ought to understand the implication of words we say.

    For example "RIP" implies that the person is going to sleep/rest in their graves until the day of second coming of Jesus/ Al-Mahadi comes back and resurrects their body.

    The Last Judgment, Final Judgment, Day of Judgment, Judgment Day, or The Day of the Lord or in Islam Yawm al-Qiyamah or Yawm ad-Din is part of the eschatological world view of the Abrahamic religions.

    Everyone who has ever lived will be brought back to life in some form to face the final judgement along with those still living.

    Christian View


    The phrase “rest in peace,” often abbreviated “R.I.P.,” comes from the Latin blessing requiescat in pace (literally, “may he begin to rest in peace”). It is usually biblical thing to say.

    To say someone who has died is going to “Rest in Peace” fits much better with the biblical saying that “the dead know nothing” (Ecc 9:5) and that they “sleep in the dust of the earth” (Dan 12:2) and that it is Jesus the Christ who at his return (1 Cor. 15:23) will call the dead out of the sleep of non-existence and back to life – “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28-29).

    In summary, according to the Christian view, a dead person's body awaits resurrection while their soul enters heaven or hell and stays there forever. Resurrected beings (bodies once again with their souls) face the final judgement and then enter heaven or hell as whole; but that shall not happen until the end of the world - the Judgement day, the Rapture.

    Islamic View

    The coming of Imam Mahdi is one of the signs of Qiyamah as is the belief of the Ahlus-Sunnah and he has yet to appear. Abdullah ibn Masu`d has reported that the Prophet has said:
    "The world will not pass away before the Arabs are ruled by a man (referring to Mahdi) of my family whose name will be the same as mine"

    (Abu Dawud).


    Muslims also believe that the coming of the Day of Reckoning is a certainty, as Allah has said in the Qur'an:-

    “This is because verily Allah, He is the reality, and because He gives life unto the dead, and because verily He has power over all things. And that the Hour (of resurrection) is to come, there is no doubt therein, and that Allah will raise up those in the grave” (Qur’an, 22:6-7)


    That will be the day of Qiyamat and the faithful people will be resurrected by the command of Allah.

    Also,

    “Said he: “This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord (i.e., Resurrection) comes to pass, He will level it with the ground; and the promise of my Lord is true.” And We will let them that day to dash into one another. And the trumpet will be blown; then We will gather them all together.” (Qu’ran, 18:92-99)


    In summary, Islamic views about resurrection are more or less the same as Christians.



    Body is central to the A-brahmic belief system, hence the burial- which is a form of preservation (of sorts) and belief that it'll be alright once again.


    Sanatan view



    In Sanatan Dharma the body is just a vehicle, a temporary refuge, Aatma is indestructible. Atma basically means your eternal self, the spiritual essence of who you are. It is not the body you inhabit; nor is it not the sum total of your material possessions. It is the spiritual you. People often confuse 'Soul' - the Western Judeo-Christian concept with 'Aatma'. The former system tends to believe when a person dies their soul travels on to heaven or hell. In other words, paradise or eternal suffering are the end of the road. On the other hand the aatma carries on its journey with reincarnations, until the day its Karmic path and spiritual knowledge leads it to Moksha. An appropriate phrase, for a Hindu who has passed away, would be "may the departed aatma attain moksha" , "Om Shanti" (or something similar).


    In summary, according to the Sanatan Dharmic view, a dead person's body is destroyed while their aatma (not the same as concept of soul) enters heaven or hell temporarily and then takes rebirth and this cycle continues until the aatma attains moksha (become one with Bhagwan,above and beyond the heaven or hell ).


    http://shankhnaad.net/heritage/myth-...t-does-it-mean
    Questions about Sanatan's view.

    Q1) Is Sanatan's view applicable to all Hindu traditions?
    Q2) If the focus after death is not on the (rotting) body why do Iyangars have preserved the body of their teacher Ramanuja in Srirangam temple? I read about this only in this forum in some other thread.
    Q3) I heard from someone that saints of Hinduism l(like Kanchi saint) are not cremated but only buried? Why? why focus on the body?

    Thanks
    Informative article, thanks Mr PJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR View Post
    ^I read the above and couldn't understand it.

    1. Does it mean according to Christian belief, there is only 1 life, followed by death - heaven/hell for the soul - resurrection - judgement day - heaven or hell again for the resurrected body?

    2. If yes for question 1, then what is the difference between being destined to heaven or hell as a soul alone and later the same heaven or hell as a resurrected body? Why the body is needed?

    I would appreciate clarification from anyone who knows better, also scholarly and simple articles are appreciated. [/B]
    I found some answers:

    1. According to Christianity, there is no reincarnation. After death, the soul separates from the body and reaches heaven or hell.

    2. The judgement day is said to span a period of 1000 yrs at which all living and dead on earth will be 'judged' for their true merit.

    3. During judgement day, by the process termed as 'resurrection', the soul of the deceased will be united with their 'body' and they will be tried for their merit and be destined to heaven or hell forever.

    4. The new resurrected body is not physical body, however it is capable of doing anything a physical body is able to do - touch, feel, eat and do much more such as penetrating through walls, traveling great distances instantaneously, etc.

    5. According to Christianity, the soul never existed before, such a notion is against the belief of Christian doctrines.

    6. So what happens to the Hindu notion of 'Every saint had a past, every sinner has a future?'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a-TB View Post
    Questions about Sanatan's view.



    Informative article, thanks Mr PJ

    Thanks Sri a-TB Sir for your comment.
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    Dear Jayashree,

    Each religion has its own beliefs. It is better NOT to compare any two of them and confuse ourselves!

    P.S: Hindu way of threatening is that by bad deeds one will be born again as a worm, pig, dog etc!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raji Ram View Post

    P.S: Hindu way of threatening is that by bad deeds one will be born again as a worm, pig, dog etc!
    Dear RR ji,

    This is according to us humans!LOL

    May be dogs and pigs etc have their own Dharma and after death if the had done bad deeds they might be born as humans.

    But one thing that never ceases to amaze me is dead animals do not haunt!

    Only dead humans haunt sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR View Post

    6. So what happens to the Hindu notion of 'Every saint had a past, every sinner has a future?'.
    That is just to let potential saints know to have some 'fun" before they embrace sainthood!LOL

    “Nau sau choohe khaake billi haj ko chali”

    – After eating 900 mice, the cat went for a pilgrimage.


    BTW that every saint had a past and every sinner has a future is not a Hindu notion..is a quote from Oscar Wilde.
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