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Jinxed Indonesia -Malaysia flights?

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Shell shocked with the disappearance of yet another flight..This time Air Asia Flight 8501 carrying 162 passengers...With 3 passenger flights from the Malaysian, Indonesian region going missing or shot down in 2014, wondering what ails this region

Sincere condolences to the families of those who travelled in the ill fated aircraft..Air Asia has got clearance to fly in India very recently..
[h=2]Search called off for missing AirAsia plane[/h] 02:26 Mon, 29 Dec 2014


Several hours of searching Indonesian waters turned up no sign of an AirAsia plane that disappeared with 162 people on board in airspace possibly thick with dense storm clouds, strong winds and lightning, officials said.


Aircraft searching for AirAsia Flight 8501 called off the effort for the night and will resume tomorrow morning, said Achmad Toha of Indonesia's search and rescue agency. Some ships were continuing the search overnight, he said.


The plane took off Sunday morning from Surabaya, Indonesia's second-largest city, and was about halfway to its destination, Singapore, when it vanished from radar.


The last communication between the pilot and air traffic control was at 6:13 a.m. (2313 GMT Saturday), when the pilot "asked to avoid clouds by turning left and going higher to 34,000 feet (10,360 meters)." It was last seen on radar at 6:16 a.m., and a minute later was no longer there, Djoko Murjatmodjo, Indonesia's acting director general of transportation, told reporters.


More than 12 hours later, shocked family members huddled at the Surabaya airport from where the Airbus A320 had taken off, awaiting any news of the jetliner, operated by an airline whose parent company is based in Malaysia. It is the third major aviation incident involving Malaysia this year: in March, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared with 239 people, and in July, a jet from the same airline was shot down over Ukraine, killing all 298 people aboard.
Indonesia and Singapore launched a search and rescue operation for Flight 8501 near Belitung island in Java Sea, the area where the jetliner lost contact with ground traffic control about 42 minutes after taking off from Surabaya.


Murjatmodjosaid there was no distress signal from the cockpit of the twin-engine, single-aisle plane.


"We hope we can find the location of the plane as soon as possible, and we hope that God will give us guidance to find it," he said.


Speaking 10 hours after the plane lost contact, Indonesia Vice President Jusuf Kalla expressed deep concern.


"It is most possible that it has experienced an accident," he said.


AirAsia, a regional low-cost carrier founded in 2001 by Malaysian businessman Tony Fernandes, said in a statement that the plane was on the submitted flight plan route. However, it had requested deviation due to weather before communication with the aircraft was lost while it was still under the control of Indonesian air traffic control.


"This is my worst nightmare," Fernandes tweeted.


Malaysia-based AirAsia, which has a presence in most of Southeast Asia and recently in India, has never lost a plane before and has a good safety track record. Flight 8501 was operated by AirAsia Indonesia, a subsidiary that is 49 percent owned by AirAsia Malaysia.


Sunardi, a weather forecaster at the Indonesia's Meteorology and Geophysics Agency, said dense storm clouds were detected up to 44,000 feet in the same area at the time the plane was reported to have lost contact.


"There could have been turbulence, lightning and vertical as well as horizontal strong winds within such clouds," said Sunardi, who like many Indonesians uses only one name.
The plane had an Indonesian captain and a French co-pilot, five cabin crew and 155 passengers, including 16 children and one infant, AirAsia Indonesia said in a statement.

Among the passengers were three South Koreans, a Malaysian, a British national and his 2-year-old Singaporean daughter. The rest were Indonesians.


AirAsia said the captain had a total of 6,100 flying hours, a substantial number, and the first officer a total of 2,275 flying hours.


At Surabaya airport, dozens of relatives sat in a room, many of them talking on mobile phones and crying. Some looked dazed. As word spread, more and more family members were arriving at the crisis center to await word.


Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan told reporters in Surabaya that search and rescue efforts now involved the Indonesian army, the national Search and Rescue Agency as well as Singapore and Malaysia.


The Search and Rescue Agency's operation chief, Maj. Gen. Tatang Zaenudin, said 200 rescuers had been deployed to the east side of Belitung island.


Air Force spokesman Hadi Tjahjanto said three aircraft, including a surveillance plane, were dispatched to the area. The Singapore air force and the navy also searched with two C-130 planes. The area continued to receive heavy rain as searchers looked for the lost aircraft.
Airbus said in a statement that the missing aircraft was delivered to AirAsia in October 2008, which would make it six years old. It said the plane had accumulated about 23,000 flight hours in some 13,600 flights. AirAsia said the aircraft had last undergone scheduled maintenance on Nov. 16.


AirAsia, which has dominated cheap travel in the region for years, flies short routes of just a few hours, connecting large cities of Southeast Asia. Recently it has tried to expand into long-distance flying through its sister airline AirAsia X.


Fernandes, who is the face of AirAsia and an active Twitter user, sent out an earlier tweet saying: "Thank you for all your thoughts and prays. We must stay strong." He tweeted later that he was heading to Surabaya.


Fernandes stirred controversy earlier this year after incorrectly tweeting that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, now synonymous with one of aviation's enduring mysteries, had landed safely. The wide-bodied Boeing 777 disappeared with 239 people aboard soon after taking off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing on March 8. It remains missing.


Another Malaysia Airlines flight, also a Boeing 777, was shot down over rebel-controlled eastern Ukraine while on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17. All 298 people on board were killed.


William Waldock, an expert on air crash search and rescue with Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona, cautioned against drawing comparisons to the disappearance of Flight 370.


"I think we have to let this play out," he said. "Hopefully, the airplane will get found, and if that happens, it will probably be in the next few hours. Until then, we have to reserve judgment."


The circumstances bode well for finding the plane since the intended flight time was less than two hours and there is a known position at which the plane disappeared, he said.

Search called off for missing AirAsia plane
 
Our heartfelt sympathies to the bereaving kith and kin of the lost ones. No idea what is happening in this part of the world. Science and technology has no answer. This the third incident. Will S&T come out to express their limitations? I will not be surprised if they would say that another "Bermuda Triangle" is being created by nature in this part of the world. KFA has died a natural death; Spicejet is on oxygen. But the missing-planes with passengers are nasty tragedies in an era when we are counting the number of outer galaxies for knowledge purpose at least for now.
 
At a press conference, the head of Indonesia's National Search and Rescue Agency has said that based on current co-ordinates and the estimated crash site, "the hypothesis is the plane is at the bottom of the sea". "That's the preliminary suspicion and it can develop based on the evaluation of the result of our search."

The plane carrying 162 people went missing on Sunday and search has resumed for the plane with first light on Monday.

Missing AirAsia flight 8501 at the 'bottom of the sea'
 
Air Asia is a Malaysian Company.

I wonder why 2014 has so much problems for any Msian based air lines?

Wonder what is going on?
 
Aviation Experts Probe Similarities Between Missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501 and MH370


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David Darg

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With reports of the loss of a third jet operated by a Malaysian company this year the world has let out a collective gasp. The Malaysian aviation industry, already reeling from the most tragic year in its history, seems to have been dealt another massive blow.

Air Asia flight QZ8501 has been reported missing somewhere between Indonesia and Singapore. 162 passengers were on board.

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CNN calls this a “Missing Plane Crisis” comparing the disappearance of QZ8501 with MH370.As details continue to emerge on the fate of flight QZ8501 the question is already being asked: Is there a connection between the disappearance of the Air Asia flight and MH370? In March 2014 Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic control when it was about several hundred miles north of Singapore. Despite a massive international search effort, there is still no sign of MH370 or the 239 passengers and crew.

So far the similarities are frighteningly uncanny: two Malaysian airliners go missing in the same region in the same year. It has been hours since flight 8501′s last contact with air traffic controllers and like MH370, no one has any idea where the Air Asia flight is located. The International Business Times is asking straight out, “Is Missing Aircraft Going to be Another MH370?

News.com.au is reporting that aviation expert Peter Stuart Smith said it was curious no further contact was made with air traffic control if QZ8501 had struck bad weather.

“Even if we assume that the aircraft did encounter such incredibly adverse weather conditions that it broke up in midair or the conditions led to the pilots losing control, there are still a number of questions that need answering,” said Mr Smith.

“Obviously the first priority for the pilots is to fly the aircraft but relaying a message to Air Traffic Control (ATC) about what’s happening only involves depressing a single button on the control column and simply speaking.”

“It would also only take a few seconds to squawk 7700 (emergency) on the SSR box which would alert ATC to there being a problem although not what the problem was.”

The radio silence and lack of any coordinates has the experts worried.

In the wake of the MH370 loss there was a push for better tracking of aircraft. The main aviation trade body tried to reassure us that there were changes on the horizon. But fast forward ten months and we seem to be facing what is so far an almost identical scenario.

The Twitterverse is ablaze with users drawing similarities and asking questions:

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One sadly ironic connection between MH370 and QZ8501 comes from Air Asia’s in flight magazine. In April 2014, one month after MH370 went missing, AirAsia’s CEO was forced to apologize after the company suggested that AirAsia would never lose a plane.

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Meanwhile, the Australian Telegraph has published a haunting link between the two disasters. A sad connection is that one of the cabin crew on board Air Asia 8501 tweeted out a series of messages related to MH370.

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Oscar Desano (centre) is listed as a flight attendant on board the AirAsia flight.Oscar Desano is listed as a flight attendant on board the AirAsia flight. In a post to his Twitter account on Christmas Eve, he wrote: “Merry Christmas to all my beautiful friends who celebrate it”

He wrote on July 17, following the downing of MH17 by a ground-to-air missile: “I feel truly sorry for the loss of MH17 by Malaysia Airlines. It’s been 2 big catastrophic event for MAS in 1 year…

“My deep condolences also for the (passengers’) family, may all the casualties rest in peace…
“Hope everything will be OK also for the internal company of Malaysia Airlines… Amiiinnn…”
“Pray for Malaysia Airlines flight number MH370 Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing, who have lost contact…,” he wrote on March 8.

There is something major that separates this event from MH370: the Air Asia pilot is reported to have requested a different route due to bad weather. This is eerily similar to the Air Algeria crash earlier in the year. MH370 vanished during clear weather, but stormy conditions are strongly suspected in the Air Asia disappearance.

Despite this one difference, aviation enthusiasts on the world’s largest flyer forum are running on overdrive making comparisons between MH370 and QZ8501. But one exchange in particular is eyecatching:
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The longer we wait for news of the fate of the Air Asia flight the more speculation will grow and comparisons made to MH370. In the meantime this twitter user says it best:
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Aviation Experts Probe Similarities Between Missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501 and MH370 | RYOT News
 
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How come the bodies are without the safety jacket? Was there no time available before the plane went down..Were passengers not notified about the emergency??

[h=1]Bodies and Debris Found in Search for AirAsia Plane, Rescue Teams Say[/h] By THOMAS FULLERDEC. 30, 2014

SURABAYA, Indonesia — Indonesian rescue teams said Tuesday that they had found bodies and what appeared to be debris from the AirAsia plane that vanished shortly after taking off from the airport here on Sunday.


Members of search teams told the Indonesian news media that they had spotted what appeared to be suitcases, life vests and aircraft debris. Indonesian television showed a rescuer descending from a helicopter toward a bloated corpse floating in the sea.


The debris was found in the Karimata Strait off the coast of Borneo. Search teams also spotted what appeared to be a larger piece of the fuselage of the plane, which was operated by the Indonesian affiliate of AirAsia.



“My heart is filled with sadness for all the families involved in QZ 8501,” Tony Fernandes, the founder of AirAsia, wrote in a Twitter message soon after the debris was discovered. “On behalf of AirAsia my condolences to all. Words cannot express how sorry I am.”



Earlier Tuesday, the Indonesian authorities had announced an expanded search area, suggesting that they had few leads as to the whereabouts of Flight 8501, which was carrying 162 people when it vanished on Sunday morning, about 40 minutes after leaving the Indonesian city of Surabaya bound for Singapore.


“The area we are searching is huge,” Bambang Soelistyo, the head of Indonesia’s National Search and Rescue Agency, said in a briefing. The total search area, including parts of Borneo and smaller islands in the Java Sea, was around 60,000 square miles, the authorities said.


A United States warship had been dispatched to join the search for the missing jet, and Mr. Bambang said the Indonesian government had also accepted offers from South Korea and China to help in the search.

The Java Sea, which separates the islands of Borneo and Java, is relatively shallow — around 160 feet at its deepest point — but monsoon conditions were clouding the waters, rescuers said.

Indonesian meteorologists described recovery efforts as a race against time because foul weather — heavy rains, choppy seas and higher winds — was predicted from Friday onward in the search area.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/31/world/asia/airasia-8501-jet-missing-indonesia.html?_r=0
 
I just hope there are some survivors.

Really sad to hear this..3 plane incidents in 1 year.

2014 the worst year for Msia.
 
The case will be solved in case there are any survivors or if the Black box is retrieved..Till then we have to keep our fingers crossed..
 
The rescue team said they found some bodies holding hands and from far they thought they saw some people waving to them but when they reached no one was alive.

So may be not all died right away..otherwise how can they be floating dead holding hands?

Most probably some were alive and kept afloat for a few days but died eventually holding hands.

For the 1st incident MH370 all of us here we shocked and depressed cos day in day out for months we would just hope it could be found.

Then MH 17 was another blow and again everyone felt depressed and we had a National Mourning day too where everyone was asked to wear black.

Now for this Air Asia plane..I dont know how to feel anymore..its like a mixed feeling..dont know how to react anymore cos a 3rd disaster in one year numbs our emotions and all I can feel is an acute feeling that how helpless we humans are and can only wish Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu and doubt if that ever works.
 
The rescue team said they found some bodies holding hands and from far they thought they saw some people waving to them but when they reached no one was alive.

So may be not all died right away..otherwise how can they be floating dead holding hands?

Most probably some were alive and kept afloat for a few days but died eventually holding hands.

For the 1st incident MH370 all of us here we shocked and depressed cos day in day out for months we would just hope it could be found.

Then MH 17 was another blow and again everyone felt depressed and we had a National Mourning day too where everyone was asked to wear black.

Now for this Air Asia plane..I dont know how to feel anymore..its like a mixed feeling..dont know how to react anymore cos a 3rd disaster in one year numbs our emotions and all I can feel is an acute feeling that how helpless we humans are and can only wish Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu and doubt if that ever works.

Sorry about this...Does Malaysia have any enemy like India has in its neighborhood?
 
Sorry about this...Does Malaysia have any enemy like India has in its neighborhood?

Nope..we dont..but this plane of Air Asia Indonesia is a joint venture of Msia and Indonesia and owned 51% by Indonesia and 49% by Air Asia Msia.

So it involves 2 countries..this could just be becos of the effects of bad weather.
 
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