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    Quote Originally Posted by Raji Ram View Post

    BhakthAs may be fanatics. But they should be 'thoNdAs' and not 'guNdAs'!!
    Basically there isn't much difference between these two groups.

    Only their masters are different!

    ThoNdAs serve God their Lord while

    GuNdAs serve the leaders their lords.
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    If bhakti does not refine a person and only makes him a fanatic
    it must be the aasuri bhakti aka taamasic bakti.

    Ever thought about this???

    Raajasic bakti and taamasi bakti are sick even in their names.
    But Satvic bhakti is not sick!
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    Outward show is sometimes projected as Bhakti but true Bhakti is a Bhaava( a feeling, an experience,a becoming) which only the Bhakta experiences internally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visalakshi Ramani View Post

    Raajasic bakti and taamasi bakti are sick even in their names.
    But Satvic bhakti is not sick!
    Dear VR ji,

    Every type of Bhakti is an ailment in someway or the other.

    After all we are even supposed to go beyond Sattva with the help of the Bheshajam Bhava Roginaam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    Dear VR ji,

    Every type of Bhakti is an ailment in someway or the other.

    After all we are even supposed to go beyond Sattva with the help of the Bheshajam Bhava Roginaam.
    Welcome Renu dear!
    Nice to see you here!!
    Yes! All mano bhavanas are ailments too.
    But we need some of them to go on in life!
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    NAVA VIDHA BHAKTI.

    There are nine different form of loving God – namely the nine forms of Bhakti.
    They vary depending on which of our ‘Indriams’ we employ in doing Bhakti.

    The first form of the ‘nava vidha bhakti’ is ‘Sravanam’ or listening to the glories of our dear Lord. King Pareekshit attained mukthi by his sravnam of BhAgavata MahA purAnam sung by Suka muni in just seven days.

    The second form of bhakti is ‘Keerthanam’ or singing the Lord’s glory.
    Suka muni sang the glory of Lord in BhAgavadam and everyone who listened to it benefited immensely.

    The third form of bhakthi is ‘Smaranam’ the continual remembrance of God’s names and form. Bhakta PrahlAd is the best example for this form of Bhakti. In spite of the dire threats and cruel punishments imposed on him by his father, he never failed to utter the name of Sri Hari even for a second!

    The fourth form of bhakti is ‘pAda sEvA’ . Lakshmi Devi is the most blessed in this form of bhakti as She is continuously doing pAda SEvA to Lord Vishnu.

    The fifth form of bhakti is ‘Archanai’ to God with pure and fresh flowers. Pruthu maharAj was famous for doing Archanai to his dear Lord.

    The sixth form is ‘Vandanam’ or do saAshtAnga namaskAram. AkrUrar got Lord’s blessings by doing Vanadanam.

    The seventh form of bhakti is ‘DAsyam’ – to be a humble servant of the Lord. None can beat HanumAn in his spirit of DAsyam and the services rendered to Lord.

    The eighth form of bhakti is ‘Sakhyam’ or friendship with Lord – based on equality with Him. PandavAs and especially ArjunA is the most famous for Sakhya bAvam to Lord.

    The ninth form of bhakti is ‘Atma nivEdhanam’ or total surrender to the Lord’s lotus feet. MahA Bali became the best example for this kind of Bakti, by offering to God everything he possessed including his bloated ego!
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    MENTAL ATTITUDES OF BHAKTAS.

    Love expresses itself in various forms. The intense love for God is bhakti. It is expressed differently depending on the mental make up of the bhaktAs.

    BhaktAs of S’Anta bhAvam are peaceful, unperturbed, ripe and sweet like BhEshma pitAmahar.

    BhaktAs in ‘DAsya BhAvam’ imagine themselves as the servants of God and are quite happy with their lot. They find happiness and satisfaction in serving God. HanumAn is the best example for DHAsya BhAvam.

    BhaktAs in ‘Sakhya BHAvam’ imagine themselves to be close friends of God. PAndavAs are the best examples for this bhakti bhAvA.

    BhaktAs in ‘VAtsalya BhAvam” imagine themselves to be the parent of God Himself and love Him as a parent does his / her child. The best example for this kind of Bhakti bhAvam is YasOdA.

    The best bhakti BHAvam is ‘MAdhurya BhAvam’. In this bhAvam the Lord is imagined as the lover and the bahthA as the girl pining for her lover. The paramAtmA is personified as the lover and the JeevAtma as the lovelorn lady.

    The bhaktAs who have excelled in this bhAvA are MeerA, AndAl and Jeya Dev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visalakshi Ramani View Post
    If bhakti does not refine a person and only makes him a fanatic
    it must be the aasuri bhakti aka taamasic bakti.

    Ever thought about this???

    Raajasic bakti and taamasi bakti are sick even in their names.
    But Satvic bhakti is not sick!
    Bakthi is Bakthi . I do not think GOD differentiates between these purely academic classifications. Kannappa Nayanar and Purandara Dasa were both Bakthas. GOD was pleased with both of them. That is what we believe in.

    Thamasic, Rajasaic, Sattvic. These are mere Academic categorizations. There is not much difference between the Academics of today and the academics who wrote our scriptures.

    An example of this is the classification of Puranas.

    Vishnu, Narada, Padma, Garuda, Varaha and Bhagavata are
    Satvika Puranas. Brahma, Brahmavaivartha, Brahmaanda, Markandeya, Bhavishya and Vaamana are Rajasika Puranas and Siva, Linga, Skanda, Agni, Matsya and Kurma are Tamasika Puranas.

    Among these Puranas Satvika Puranas lead one to liberation, Rajasa do not cause good and Tamasa puranas lead one to hell.
    Having said this, not all portions of the Rajasa and Tamasa Puranas are invalid. Wherever they are in accordance with other satvika puranas they are perfectly valid.
    I need not say which sect did this classification or why?

    The same about classification of Gods/Goddesses.

    I have not only thought about it, but done a lot of reading and written about it.
    யான் பெற்ற இன்பம் பெறுக இவ்வையகம் . Sorry. No one should have similar experience here.
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    THE THREE THIEVES.

    A traveler was walking all by himself in a dense forest. He was carrying all his treasures bundled up along with him.

    Three thieves stopped him and seized his precious bundle. They wanted to kill him before making their escape.


    The first thief drew out his shining dagger while the second thief bound his legs and hands. The third thief intervened, argued with them and saved the traveler’s life.


    The first two thieves ran away in haste. The third thief accompanied the man till he reached his home. But in spite of repeated requests he refused to come inside the house.


    He left immediately after the traveler entered his house. The man was at peace at last since he had reached his final destination.


    The world is the dense forest. The traveler is the Jeevaatmaa. The precious bundle he carries is the Atma Gnaanam.

    The three thieves are the three gunas – Raajasa, Thaamsa and Satva.

    The thief who drew out his dagger is the Raajasan.
    The thief who bound the traveler is the Thaamasan.
    The thief who saved his life was the Satvan.

    The home is the Paramapadam / Vaikuntam / Kailaasam / the final abode which every Jeeva wants to reach.


    We can enter the final abode only after getting rid of all the three gunaas. Satvan is a good fellow and helps the jeevaa, but he too is a thief and can not accompany the Jeevaa is into the final abode.
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    Bhakthi Yoga is part of Bhagavad Gita. Narada Bhakthi Sutra is a very old text.

    But the ritualistic Hinduism never emphasized Bhakthi.

    The Bhakthi movement did not start till 800 A.D. It started with the Saiva Nayanmars. Followed by Azhwars. .Bhakti movement spread like wild fire because it did not discriminate on Caste or knowledge of Sanskrit.

    Bhakthi comes from the heart. It is a feeling, an emotion. It does not come by reading text books or by performing any ritual.

    Th orthodox Hindus had no other alternative, but to accept Bhakthi which does not believe in rituals.

    But then I was shocked when I heard a respected scholar say that You have to reach the stage of Atma Chaitanyam through Jnana yoga before becoming a Bhaktha. I do not think this is what the Azhwars taught.

    Bhakthas read texts like Periya Puranam and Maha Bhakthe Vijayam.
    Last edited by sankara_sharmah; 24-12-2012 at 04:22 PM.
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