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    Carnatic music gives the artists freedom to exhibit their talents in many ways. RAgam ThAnam Pallavi, now-a-days known as RTP,

    gives the maximum freedom! Sruthi bEdham in singing the rAgam, the beauty of different patterns in thAnam, the thALam intricacies

    and lyrics of the pallavi are a few specials.


    We can say that a Pallavi is a one line composition - either taken from an already existing krithi or just the one line composed

    by an artist. The rAgam of the pallavi is indicated sometimes in the lyrics of the pallavi. A famous one is 'SankarAbharaNanai

    azhaithOdi vAdi KalyANi DharbArukku'. This has four different rAgams - SankarAbharaNam, ThOdi, KalyANi and DharbAr.



    The two number system of swarams, which the beginners learn, is denoted by the twelve basic notes, namely


    R1 - shuddha Rishabham, R2 - chathusruthi Rishabham, G1 - sAdhAraNa GAndhAram, G2 - anthara GAndhAram,

    M1 - shuddha Madhyamam, M2 - prathi Madhyamam, P - Panchamam, D1 - shuddha Dhaivatham, D2 - chathusruthi

    Dhaivatham, N1 - kaisiki NishAdham and N2 - kAkali NishAdham.


    Since the vivAdhi swaram shatsruthi Rishabam is same as G1, suddha GandhAram is same as R2, shatsruthi Dhaivatham is

    same as N1 and suddha NishAdham is same as D2 the three number system came into existence.

    It is S; R1; R2; R3 = G1 in two number system

    R2, G1, G2 in the two number system becomes G1, G2 and G3 in the three number system

    D1; D2; D3 = N1 in two number system

    D2, N1, N2 in the two number system becomes N1, N2 and N3 in the three number system

    The position of swarams are like this:

    S R1 R2 R3
    .......G1 G2 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3
    ......................................N1 N2 N3

    Thus the twelve basic notes became sixteen swarams!

    And, the beginner's rAgam MAyAmALavagowlA has these swarams: S R1 G3 M1 P D1 N3 S'


    To be continued.......
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    Since only two Madhyamams exist, they are denoted by M1 and M2 in both two number and three number systems to denote the swarams.
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    Smt. RR,

    Your effort is very good. But it appears to me as though, after all these theories, the Carnatic Music ultimately is built upon the way each of these 12 notes, 16 swarams, etc., ultimately have to undergo yet some more transformations in each of the ragas. I am told that thereefore many of the instruments cannot bring about the "true" flavour of the ragas and one has to depend on some very flexible vocal artiste only to learn real Carnatic music.

    A number of years ago, the Sruthi magazine had published an article of the 1930's which said that in the ultimate analysis Carnatic music is built upon musical phrases which are the trade marks of each raga and all the hullabaloo about janaka, janya, melakartha system, etc., were unnecessary appendages to take Carnatic music away from the masses.

    I would like if you give your comments/rebuttal of these opinions also.
    एकं सद्विप्रा नैव जानन्ति ।
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    Dear Sangom Sir,

    Thanks for your feed back. Yes! RAgams in Carnatic music are based on phrases and a each rAgam has specific phrases

    which should not be used in other rAgams. 'kELvi gnAnam' is very essential to develop the knowledge. Those who are

    able to reproduce phrases just by listening, can learn Carnatic music with ease. But there is grammar for Caranatic music.

    The ArOhaNam - avarOhaNam is the basic grammar. The janya rAgams have the swarams same as their janaka rAgam but

    some have 'anya swarams' which are not in the janaka rAgam and those swarams add beauty to the rAgams! Also, all the

    janya rAgams of the same janaka rAgam do not have the same phrases. That is why each rAgam is distinct and a competent

    artist can bring out the essence of a rAgam with in a few seconds.

    Actually Carnatic music is a vast ocean and I want to just take a glimpse of the beauty by discussing about 'Pallavi'.
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    Just an example:

    Anandhabairavi and Reethigowla are similar rAgams and janya rAgams of KharaharapriyA.

    Anandhabairavi has ArOhaNam: S G R G M P D P S' and avarOhaNam: S' N D P M G R S.

    (anthara GAndhAramm, sudhdha Daivadham and kAkali NishAdham are anya swarams in this rAgam)

    Some musicians say that this is janya rAgam of Natabairavi but since chathusruthi Daivatham is in

    both ArOhaNam and avarOhaNam, it is better to consider it as janya rAgam of KharaharapriyA.

    Reethigowla has ArOhaNam: S G R G M N D M N N S' and avarOhaNam: S' N D M G M P M G R S

    and no anya swaram.
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    A mAmi who is teaching advance music to her students makes me write down the notation for playing rAgams

    on the veena. Each rAgam will come to about four pages full of phrases! It was an interesting experience!
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    Sruthi bEdham:

    This is one of the fascinating concepts in the delineation of rAgam. When the AdhAra sruthi is shifted from Shadjamam
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    any other swaram we get a different rAgam with the same notes. This shifting of AdhAra surthi is known as sruthi
    bEdham.

    A sampoorNa rAgam has the
    same seven notes in ascending and descending order without any twist, which is known as

    'vakram'. The best sampoorNa rAgam to understand Sruthi bEdham is SankarAbharaNam. The shift of sruthi to Rishabham

    gives KharaharapriyA; to GAndhAram gives ThOdi; to Madhyamam gives KalyANi; Panchamam gives HarikAmbOji and

    Dhaivatham gives Natabairavi. The shift to NishAdham gives an invalid mELa rAgam because it will have both M1 and M2!!

    The formula to remember these rAgams is: San Khara ThOdi Kal Hari Nata.


    To be continued .................

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    Great, this will take a week for me to understand. this is advanced.
    My carnatic base is 8 years of vocal and violin when in school, some 10 varnam and 25 keerthana.
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    hi RR madam,
    like in samaveda....we used to recite in arohanam/avarohanam....its called UDATTA/ANUDAYYA/SWARITHAM....i think these

    methods are same in music too....like sindhu bhairavi sulakshana....im just jadam in carnatic music....எங்காத்து மாமாவும் கச்சேரிக்கி போன மாதிரி....
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    gamayaa, mrityor maa amritham gamayaaa..
    om shanti, om shanti, om shanti...upanishad
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    Quote Originally Posted by SANDHYAV View Post
    Great, this will take a week for me to understand. this is advanced.....
    I shall try to explain in a simpler way!
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