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Dear Sri tksji,
74 posts and you have yet to state your case. I have a few suggestions. If you think they are unnecessarily riling you up please excuse me. But I am a member reading your posts and I have a right to tell you what occurs to me. Please take it easy. If it rings a bell somewhere I will be happy. You need not reply.
1. You use complex sentences frequently and they are a drag. Please state whatever you want to say in a few simple sentences. Presume that you are introducing the subject to someone who does not know it. That will help you use simple language avoiding excess verbiage.
2. Please avoid making "position statements" (தன் நிலை விளக்கம்) frequently. We are all matured enough here and so we are not interested in knowing what made you do a thing or not. Please forget the "I" and try to write about your view point. That will help remove an irritant.
4. While a little bit of positive sarcasm and banter makes the posts eminently readable, if they rile you up please refuse to recognize them and move. Don't get distracted/ambushed.
5. You have just come to the second point. You have a long distance to go, i believe. Please present what you have. Let us see.
Thank you.
Sri Vaagmi,
Thank you for your feedback.
I have stated the case in the first two posts. . I can offer a few summary statements if that is helpful. You can communicate what you want without feeling the need to assert any rights. The thing I ask anyone is to respect the topic area (related to our wisdom scriptures), sincerity of purpose in engagement and staying within the message (and not veer into personal attacks).
Now point by point response.
1. The proper way to create a post is to write elsewhere, revise it once or twice and then 'publish' it here. The first draft of an excellent writer is often not very different from that of a relatively poor writer. While I am careful about choice of specific expressions, attempting to be consistent, and respectful to the topic area I do not have the time to do the necessary revisions. I tend to type directly and 'publish' the message. That may be fine for a chit-chat but not here. So sentences may appear complex and I will pay more attention to keeping them simple.
2. Will try. There are some that impute motives that may not be there to a post.
3. Partly this is fun, I have no grudge against anyone. There is no feelings of being riled up. Usually I have a hearty laugh at myself and at the situation.
4. There is no beginning or destination to this topic area. The opening post has this line "Even when absolute Truth is possibly the most natural to know, it eludes a person due to false notions that a person has". As you know in the word Upanishad, the preposition Upa signifies being close to Sat being the truth. Nothing can be closer or more 'natural'. Yet our mind which has all kinds of notions prevents us from seeing this. It just happens that this truth cannot be spelled out by words (and I don't want to get into reasons here). The vision is expounded by saying what is NOT this truth and by suggesting what one needs to do to get the mind 'purified'. My minimal attempt here is to use examples of false notions and raise questions that reveal possible contradictions in beliefs.
When something is a pure belief, we can only ask if the belief contradicts anything known. If it is not, then it can considered a reasonable belief. If it does, it is an unreasonable belief. Regardless, reasons cannot be applied to a belief to change it. Only major events in a person's life can make a person think about their beliefs.
Our knowledge scriptures not only teaches this Truth but it also includes a method of how to communicate this knowledge without any loss.
The reason why Shraddha is necessary is because people in today's lifestyle look for 'take aways' and bottom-line that are contrary to the teaching methods.
There is a universal problem of inability to listen and understand the vision in all walks of life. This inability arises from our mind putting up a screen and hence people listen with their own 'autobiography'. They take what they want and discard what is not suiting to their mental framework thereby even more convinced about their long held positions and beliefs, unchanged by possibly new paradigms. That is why in B.Gita 18.67, Bhagavan says not to teach someone who is incapable of listening. This listening capacity is about perceiving (your favorite word) as is and is often translated to some kind of 'spiritual' maturity.
This makes any discussion very difficult in an open forum.
5. People have to put up with the fact that with time available this is the best I can do. The second point is going to be brief because there is nothing to debate a theology or beliefs. The only place for any comment is when claim of rationality is made. Hence it is likely to be short
PS: Besides opening two Posts, I have added only 5 more content oriented posts, others are replies or posts of others making up 74+ posts
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