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Ãpasthambha School which was 10,000 years old rediscovered!

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ÃpasthambhaSchool which was 10,000 years old rediscovered!

Discoveries of Shri. R.Ramachandran, Vedic Scholar from Chennai based on inscriptions and literatures.



The present day Subramanya is located in South Kanara is in Kudremukh group of mountains of three peaks

1)Mukha Head 1881 Meters (6173 Ft)
2)Midge Point 1883 Meters (6177 Ft) and
3) Funk Hill 1892 Meters (6207 Ft).

In this Subramanya is located at 1727 Meters (5667 Ft) over looking Bisle Ghat and Sisalkal 1195 Meters (3921 Ft)[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT].

In Ramayana Period that is B.C. 8000 this place was identified as Sahaya and MalayaMountains. The MalayaMountains were a range of mountains that were mentioned in the Matsya Purana, the Kurma Purana, and the epics of the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. These mountains are believed to have formed the Southern most part (Southwards starting from Palakkad) of the Western Ghats, while the Northern part of the same was called the Sahya Mountains. The peaks of these MalayaMountains are higher than those of the Sahya Mountains. The Anaimalai and Nilgiri form some of its higher ranges. Believably in the Ramayana and Mahabharata ages, and later in the period of recorded history it might have been the junction of the Chera and Pandya Kingdoms.[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT].

Here, Rama saw these mountains where Sita Devi was sitting under Simsapa tree. This tree is of three kinds white, black and yellow, which is bitter in taste (Ashoka Tree). From this forest King Dhasaratha took few herbal sticks and for Flag post (Samiths) for doing Asvatha metha yags for his country[3].

There are chances that Ravana the Lankathipathi, was studying in the school of Ãpastambha, branch of which was located here[FONT=&quot][4][/FONT].

Prof., Max Muller wrote on the authority of F.E. Hall that Ravana (Rawana) wrote a commentary on the Rig Veda[FONT=&quot][5][/FONT].

Rāvana: Prof Max Muller wrote on the authority of F.E.Hall that Rāvana wrote a commentary on the Rig Veda (Pada Pātha of Rig Veda) in a note at the end of its astaka VII, it is ascribed to Ravana. The Pada text of Rig Veda as given differs slightly from the well known work of Śākalya[FONT=&quot][6][/FONT].


An inscription dated March 9, 1346 by Emperor Harihara (1336-1356) refers to sage Vidyaraya theerta and sree Bharati therertha, in which Sree Vidyaranya Theertha was Senior to Bhatarathi Theertha[7].

A gift of land was made on May 26th 1386 at the river bed of Pampa named Kil Kunda Nadu, Aragade Area, Santalige Nadu for the Athishtana of Vidyaranya Vidya theertha Bharathi Theertha[8].


Even though, this Place was called Pithra[FONT=&quot][9][/FONT] Kunta[FONT=&quot][10][/FONT] once upon a time the meaning of which is the ornament of three Vedas where all the three Vedas were taught and a Brahman is guarded by three Vedas, this place was renamed as Sri Skandapura by King Sangama II, Son of Kampanna on May 30th 1356.


Chapter 5 of Bitragunta copper plates mentions, on May 30th 1356 a village called Bitragunda was renamed as Sri Skandapura by King Sangama II Son of Kampa[11].

This may be due to the work that Skanda Swamin did on Rig Veda.

After Ramayana period This Pithra Kunda was just forgotten and not came in to picture.
But there are reasons to believe that the Agama for Temples and Palaces were written by Maya and titled Mayamatha was from here only in B.C. 500.

In A.D 610- 642 when Pulikesi II was ruling Chalukya Dynasty there were several wars with Pallavas from Kanchi, and Mahendra Varman I A.D.600-630 at one stage, took few Agama texts from Chalukya, and when his son Narasimha Varman formed a rock cut temple in Mahabali Puram, made everything in rock and even the Gopura Kalasa was also made by rock. But as it was against Agama, the king didn’t installed those rock Gopura Kalasa and kept that aside.

From this point we can easily understand that the Ãgama for constructing temples were originated from this place.

The festivals are all done in Vaikanasa Agamas[FONT=&quot][12][/FONT].


Only the Brahmins from here formed and invented the Ganesa Idle which identifies the South Pole (Rahu).

From the above mentioned points we can easily come to a conclusion that in our horoscopes Rahu and Kethu was placed, and the calculation was arrived that it takes 18 months for crossing one rasi of 30 deg., of the Zodiac.

The horoscope of Adhi sankara has no mention about this Rahu and Kethu, and from this period people started celebrating the birth day based on Nakshathra. Till A.D. 500 people were celebrating their birth days on Thithi based, and were called Chandra Sidhdhantha, and once people started celebrating their birth days based on Nakshathra they were called as followers of Surya Sidhdhanth.

But when we look in to the Ayurvedic section of India, Saraka was staying here and taught Ayur Veda to various students. This school also taught Medicine to Jeevika in 10th Century A.D.

In AD 1200 Anatha Theertha[FONT=&quot][13][/FONT] rediscovered this school which was later taken over by Skanda Swamin, the author of Kaushika Bhashya which taught Vedanta on Siva[FONT=&quot][14][/FONT], and later on by Madhvacharya[FONT=&quot][15][/FONT]. (A.D.1199-1275)[FONT=&quot][16][/FONT]

Shri Madhvacharya (1238-1317) was the chief proponent of Tattvavada popularly known as Dvaita.,was born on Vijayadashami day of 1238 CE at Pajaka.Pajaka is a village in Udupi Taluk and district of Karnataka state in India. Pajaka is the place where Dvaita philosopher.

This Madvacharya wrote commentaries on Rig Veda as per his wish, and the Madhva Vijaya , Vedartha Prakasa, in Taitriya Samhitha he mentions about sacrificial rites and how to perform these for the welfare of the people and this was known as or say titles as Vaikanasa Agama.

In the Year Saka 1163, (AD1201)[FONT=&quot][17][/FONT] , ruler who ruled Subramanya were Chalukyas, and the name of the King was Tri Bhuvana Malla Someswara Deva IV., who was also called Jaya Varma Deva . These Chalukyas were the arrogant worshippers of Lord Siva.

On the grants they made to these temples bore the symbol of Linga, and the temple the Siva was at the center and Brahma and Vishnu on either side’[FONT=&quot][18][/FONT]. And they minted Coins with Varaha Symbol.
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After this period Jains had an upper hand, and Mohamadians invaded South India. In 14th Century, the Chalukya King Veera Vellala III was giving trouble to Mohamadians and Delhi Sultan deputed Harihara and Bukka to counter him in 1326-1327. But Harihara and Bukka, who were Hindus, who were forcefully converted to Muslim by the Delhi Sultan, again reconverted to Hiduism at Virupaksha Temple at Humpy on 18th April 1336[FONT=&quot][19][/FONT].

This Bukka had a Minister by name Madava, This Madava’s younger brother was told as Sayanna. But many scholars disagree with this quote.

Sayanna was a Telugu Brahmin of Bhardwaja Gothra of Krishna Yajur Veda of Bhaudanya Suthra, born in A.D.1295 at the river bed of Krishna.. As a priest by profession he moved to Hampi.

Madava the Minister of Bukka, was asked to take charge of Sringeri mutt of Smartha in November 1331, by Bukka, and renamed as Madavacharya / Vidyatheertha/ Vidyaranya Swami and took charge as peetathipathi on Sukla Patcha, (Bright Moon) Sabthami thithi, on the month of karthigai[FONT=&quot][20][/FONT]. At this time the Bramins were fighting with Jains and Mohamadians from Delhi and South India were already captured most of the places and Hindu Culture was at a shake.

In A.D. 1350 Bukka died[FONT=&quot][21][/FONT].



After the death of Bukka, Sayanna had written commentary for Rig Veda and due his unity and born in Bhaudanya Suktha sect, he was forced to write the thesis with the combination of Jains literatures and interrupted with more Vaisnava names, such as Narayana to show his loyalty to the community he belonged![FONT=&quot][22][/FONT]

This mixture of Agamas were called Vaikanasa Agama, which is followed by this Subramanya Mutt.( [FONT=&quot]Vai[/FONT] means the approach or solutions and [FONT=&quot]Ka[/FONT] means Rig Veda attributed to Saunaka. [FONT=&quot]Asna[/FONT] means Mountain.)

The full meaning for various requirements for human, the solutions are offered in this mountain with the quotes from Rig Veda attributed to Saunaka

According to Saunaka, Rig Veda has 21 Subtle branches which gives are guides for a correct approach on each and every letters written or composed.

Trishub contains: 4,253 rics; Gayatri contains: 2,451 rics; Jagathi contains: 1,348 rics; Anushtub contains: 855; Ushnih contais : 341; Pankti contais : 312 others 849 making a total of 10,409 rics[FONT=&quot][23][/FONT].
The only Srautha Suthra of Atharva Veda is Vaitana Suthra consists of 8 Adyayas divided in to 43 Kandikas. The Vaitana Suthra follows the Saunaka recession of Athrava Veda. This is the work of Atharvana School. Vaitana Sutra recommends fourth priest to sit silently in a yagna in the South of Agni facing North in a sacrifice it has drawn few mantras rituals from Kousika Suthra.
The style of composition adopted in Vaitana Suthra is briefer than that of even the Kathyayana Srutha suthra which is noted for shortness of expression. This Suthra employs the rare word JAMBILA “Saliva” which is not met with in any other Suthra. The injunction of this Suthra that the sacrificer should be caused by the Bhrigvangirovid (the Brahman who is well versed with Atharva Veda Applications) to recite the the sacrificial formula[FONT=&quot][24][/FONT].

The only Srautha Suthra of Atharva Veda is Vaitana Suthra consists of 8 Adyayas divided in to 43 Kandikas. The Vaitana Suthra follows the Saunaka recession of Athrava Veda. This is the work of Atharvana School. Vaitana Sutra recommends fourth priest to sit silently in a yagna in the South of Agni facing North in a sacrifice it has drawn few mantras rituals from Kousika Suthra.
The style of composition adopted in Vaitana Suthra is briefer than that of even the Kathyayana Srutha Suthra which is noted for shortness of expression. This Suthra employs the rare word JAMBILA “Saliva” which is not met with in any other Suthra. The injunction of this Suthra that the sacrificer should be caused by the Bhrigvangirovid (the Brahman who is well versed with Atharva Veda Applications) to recite the the sacrificial formula[FONT=&quot][25][/FONT].
The name of the Bhargava family is closely connected with Vedic scholarship. Thus Yaska, the author or Nirukta, and saunaka[FONT=&quot][26][/FONT], the author of Rigveda Pratisakhya and Anukramanis, were both Bhargavas. Saunaks’s name is also associated with the best known recension of the Atharvaveda. Similarly Vyasa’s renowned disciple Vaisampayana, who was a teacher of Yajurveda and who is believed to have narrated the story of the Bharata war to king Janamejaya, was a Bhargava[FONT=&quot][27][/FONT].

In Madhava Vijaya Veddantha Prakasa , the first place was given to Taitriya Samhita for sacrificial rites. Sayanna quotes many books from the school at Skanda pura alias Subramanya.

This madavachaya attained Siddhi in A.D.1386. His last book written by his pupil Ramakrishna was Pancadasi[FONT=&quot][28][/FONT].

Sayyana died in A.D.1386[FONT=&quot][29][/FONT].
 
Geographically and scientifically this Sahay and Malay Mountains and its valleys are ornamented with rivers and the entire soil has the power in pulling the vibrations of Moons of the Saturn Planet, the herbals that grow here are more powerful and medicinal characters that can cure any poisonous diseases, and the wind / breeze that rents the air is purely medicinal.

Once a pilgrim visit this place, takes bath in river which has all medicinal properties, his body is patted with breeze of medicine, and when he closes his eyes and concentrate on the universe, the vibration from the Planet Moons of Saturn, penetrates in his mind and body that gives soothing effect and relieves him from the stress.



Abstracts

Vedathi karana Ratna Mala
Parasara Smrithi Vakya (On Dharma sastra, wrote Bhashya on Smruti attributed to Parasara[FONT=&quot][30][/FONT].

The first two kandas of this parasara smriti Vakya was published in Madras in Telugu in 1871 Third Kanda was on Ãchara and Prayachiththa (Vyvahara Madhava on Juris-Prudence) was published in 1868 at Madras
Fourth Kanda Kala Madhava which quotes about the time to be selected for Prayachchiththa according to the Zodiac planetary position that to coincide with the (kartha) the performer’s Birth star. And Jaiminiya mala Vishthara was also written during this period (i.e.) A.D.1336-1350[FONT=&quot][31][/FONT].
Tanjore Saraswathi Mahal MSS 2516(=A) in Devanagari and 9028(=B) in Grantha
Scripts.

According to history, the Hoysala Ballalas ruled this place in the 11th century. The village of Kukke Subrahmanya is supposed to have been the capital of a Ballala king. The ruins of the palace can be seen towards the north east side of the cattle market in a place called Kulkunda, which is located nearby. The idol of Ballalaraya is placed at the main entrance of the deity and is supposed to have been installed during the Ballala rule[FONT=&quot][32][/FONT].

Rudrapaada is situated about 3 furlongs from Darpana teertha. There are carved footprints and inscriptions at this place.


[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT] ) Gazetteer of India Karnataka State, South Canara Dist., Ministry of Education and Social welfare, New
Delhi. First ed 1894, Reprint 1973 p-9

[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT] ) Malaya Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[FONT=&quot][3][/FONT] ) Indian Culture Journal, Vol XV No 1-4 July 1948-June 1949 pp-116-117

[FONT=&quot][4][/FONT] ) Vamsabrahmanabhashyam. 1873 pp- xxvi-xxvii; Tanjore Saraswathi Mahal MSS 2516(=A)
Devanagari and 9028(=B) Grantha

[FONT=&quot][5][/FONT] ) Max Muller Ed., Sayana Bhashya on the Rig Veda 2nd Edition Vol I Preface p- XLVIII; Proceedings and
Transactions of the Fifth All India Oriental Conference Vol I University of Punjab, Lahore 1925 p- 6

[FONT=&quot][6][/FONT] ) Proceedings and Transactions of the Fifth All India Oriental Conference University of Punjab, Lahore
1928 p-6 ; Appendices : Garbha Upanishad

[FONT=&quot][7][/FONT] ) Uttankita Sanskrit Vidyaranya Epigraphs Vol I , Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, Bombay 1985 pp-69-73

[FONT=&quot][8][/FONT] ) Sirngeri Plates, UttankitaSanskrit Vidyaranya Epigraphs Vol I , Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, Bombay
1985 pp-116-117

[FONT=&quot][9][/FONT] ) pitha, am, n. (thought by some to be a Prakrit form fr. pi-sada =pi-
Shada =pi-shda or Connected with rt. pith), [FONT=&quot]a stool, seat, chair, bench; a Religious [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] student's seat made properly of Kusa grass;the seat of a deity, an altar (according to some native authorities in [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] this and the preceding senses also as, I, m. f.) ; a basis,basement pedestal ; an epithet of various temples [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (erected on the fifty one spots on which, according to tradition, the various members of PSrvat! fell after she [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] had been cut to pieces by the discus of Vishnu); a kind of ornament;a particular posture in sitting; (in geometry) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] the complement of a segment ; N. of an Asura the minister of Kansa. Pitha-keli, is, m. a particular dramatic [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] character, a male confidant, a parasite.Pitha-ga, as, a, am, moving about in a wheelchair,lame. 1'ilha-garbha or [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] pitha-vivara, as,m. the cavity in the pedestal of an ido\. Pithadaltra,as or am, m. or n. (?), Ved. a chariot with a [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] seat. Pitka-ndyika, f. a girl of fourteen (before menstruation) who impersonates DurgS at the estival of that [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Goddess. Pitha-nydsa, as, m. epithet of a particular mystical ceremony. Pitha- bhu, us, f. a basis, basement. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Pilha-marda, as, a, am, 'rubbing the seat,' (perhaps) riding on horseback, a rider; exceedingly impudent; [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (as), m. the companion of a hero in great undertakings ; a companion, parasite ;a dancing-master who teaches [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] courtezans. Plthasarpa,as, a, am, or pitha-sarpin, I, ini, i,moving about on a wheel-chair, lame, crippled, a [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] cripple. Pitha-stkdna, am, n. a place where one of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot] limbs of PSrvatl is supposed to have fallen and [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] therefore consecrated to her worship ; [cf. pltha.~\Pithaka, as, am, m. n. a seat, chair, bench ; a [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] saddle ? ; (ikd), [/FONT][FONT=&quot]I.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] a bench ; a base, pedestal ; a section,chapter (sometimes wrongly spelt [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] pitika). [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][10][/FONT] ) spearman, a soldier armed with a spear.

[FONT=&quot][11][/FONT] ) UttankitaSanskrit Vidyaranya Epigraphs Vol I , Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, Bombay 1985 p-74.

[FONT=&quot][12][/FONT] ) ) Gazetteer of India Karnataka State, Soth Canara Dist., Ministry of Education and Social welfare, New
Delhi. First ed 1894, Reprint 1973 pp-760-761


[FONT=&quot][13][/FONT] ) Vamsa Brahmanabhashyam p- xxiv; Tanjore Saraswathi Mahal MSS 2516(=A) Devanagari and
9028(=B) Grantha


[FONT=&quot][14][/FONT] ) Vamsabrahmanabhashyam 1873 p-xxiv

[FONT=&quot][15][/FONT] ) Vamsabrahmanabhashyam 1873 p-xxiv

[FONT=&quot][16][/FONT] ) Vamsabrahmanabhashyam 1873 p-xiv

[FONT=&quot][17][/FONT] ) Hindu Inscriptions, Read by Walter Elliot, M.C.S. Read on 16th July 1836. The Journal of Royal
Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol IV, M.DCCC. XXXVII, London, 1861 p-4

[FONT=&quot][18][/FONT] ) Hindu Inscriptions, Read by Walter Elliot, M.C.S. Read on 16th July 1836. The Journal of Royal
Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol IV, M.DCCC. XXXVII, London, 1861 p-18


[FONT=&quot][19][/FONT] ) N.Venkataramanayya, Early Muslim Expansion in South India, University of Madras 1942 pp-192-194

[FONT=&quot][20][/FONT] ) Vamsa brahmanabhashyam 1873 p- xiv

[FONT=&quot][21][/FONT] ) Vamsa brahmanabhashyam 1873 pp-xvi-xvii, Ãpasthaba Pratoga Rathna Mala; Vedānti Karana
Ratnamala

[FONT=&quot][22][/FONT] ) Vamsa brahmanabhashyam 1873 p-xvii

[FONT=&quot][23][/FONT] ) A.C.Clayton, Rig Veda and Vedic religion with readings from the Vedas, Christian Literary Society,
Madras 1913 pp-259-260

[FONT=&quot][24][/FONT] ) Ram Gopal, India of Vedic kalpa Sutras, 2nd Ed., Motilal banarasidass, Delhi, 1983 pp-516-518

[FONT=&quot][25][/FONT] ) Ram Gopal, India of Vedic kalpa Sutras, 2nd Ed., Motilal banarasidass, Delhi, 1983 pp-516-518

[FONT=&quot][26][/FONT] ) But according to few scholars Saunaka is a genology like Gothra..; M.S.Bhat, Vedic Tantrism, Motilal
Banarsidass, Delhi 1987 pp-145-147

[FONT=&quot][27][/FONT] ) Purushottam Lal Bhargava, India In The Vedic Age The Upper India Publishing House Ltd., Delhi,
1956. p-106

[FONT=&quot][28][/FONT] ) Vamsabrahmanabhashyam 1873 p- xv

[FONT=&quot][29][/FONT] ) Vamsa Brahmanabhashyam 1873 p-xv

[FONT=&quot][30][/FONT] ) Vamsa Brahmanabhashyam 1873 pp-xvi-xvii

[FONT=&quot][31][/FONT] ) Vamsa Brahmanabhashyam 1873 pp- xvi-xvii

[FONT=&quot][32][/FONT] ) www.Subrahmanyamatha.org
 
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Sri Ramacchandran ji,

Your research is amazing. I visited Mangalore/Udupi and Gokarna belt but unfortunately missed Subramanya due to paucity of time. After your findings, I would like to visit the place in the future. Please publish your findings regularly

All the best

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே
 
Dear Sri Ramachandran,
Could you kindly clarify my doubts?
Do you mean to say that the present Kudremukh range of mountains was called Sahaya and Malaya mountains in olden days? You say that the Malaya mountains extended upto Nilgiri. Does the present Kudremukh range include Nilgiri also?

Here, Rama saw these mountains where Sita Devi was sitting under Simsapa tree.
Do you mean to say that the Simsuapa tree was located in kudremukh range?

There are chances that Ravana the Lankathipathi, was studying in the school of Ãpastambha, branch of which was located here[4].
Is it a wild guess or is it based on reasonable grounds. Please quote the relevant portion of the book. Has the period of writing of the book been authenticated?

A gift of land was made on May 26th 1386 at the river bed of Pampa named Kil Kunda Nadu, Aragade Area, Santalige Nadu for the Athishtana of Vidyaranya Vidya theertha Bharathi Theertha[8].


Do you mean to say that the gift was made for the athishtanas of BOTH Vidayaranya theertha AND Bharathi theertha?

PSrvat!
I guess it is Parvati. The long list of meanings for the word pithra already confuses me. You could have avoided spelling mistakes and unnecessary abbreviations which make me more confused.

Even though, this Place was called Pithra[9] Kunta[10] once upon a time the meaning of which is the ornament of three Vedas where all the three Vedas were taught
Even though you have given a long list of all the meanings for the word pithra, the one chosen by you, that is, the ornament of three Vedas where all the three Vedas were taught, is not found in it. What is the purpose of reeling out these irrelevant details?

This may be due to the work that Skanda Swamin did on Rig Veda.
You have not mentioned who was Skanda swamin or what work did he do.

Chapter 5 of Bitragunta copper plates mentions, on May 30th 1356 a village called Bitragunda was renamed as Sri Skandapura by King Sangama II Son of Kampa[11]…..After Ramayana period This Pithra Kunda was just forgotten and not came in to picture.
Does this not imply that the Ramayana Period was after 1356?

But there are reasons to believe that the Agama for Temples and Palaces were written by Maya and titled Mayamatha was from here only in B.C. 500.
Why have you not given ‘the reasons to believe’?

when his son Narasimha Varman formed a rock cut temple in Mahabali Puram, made everything in rock and even the Gopura Kalasa was also made by rock. But as it was against Agama, the king didn’t installed those rock Gopura Kalasa and kept that aside.
How do we know that Narasimhan had such an intention and how he was barred from executing it?

Only the Brahmins from here formed and invented the Ganesa Idle (I think it is idol) which identifies the South Pole (Rahu).
How do you link Rahu, Ganesa and South Pole?

Till A.D. 500 people were celebrating their birth days on Thithi based,
How did you arrive at the time-mark?

According to Saunaka, Rig Veda has 21 Subtle branches which gives are guides for a correct approach on each and every letters written or composed.
What does this mean? I would like to know in Tamil.

Trishub contains: 4,253 rics; Gayatri contains: 2,451 rics; Jagathi contains: 1,348 rics; Anushtub contains: 855; Ushnih contais : 341; Pankti contais : 312 others 849 making a total of 10,409 rics[23].
Can I take it to mean Rig veda contains 4253 rics composed in Trishtub metre and so on?

To sum up, I do not understand what you are trying to prove. You can take one small point and give your reasons crisply to prove it instead of dumping so much of unnecessary information and confounding the reader.
 
Dear Mr.Anbe Sivam,
For the last three days(25th Aug 09 to 27th Aug 09) I was in Subramanya, had a long discussion with Subramanya math Swamiji on 25th Aug 09 . I handed over lot of books to him, and handed over the transulated text of My findings.

He after going thro that details asked for clarifications which I submitted and further told him that the Rudra Patha, (The word od Rudhra )might have chanted from that place!

He asked me to meet him on Thursday at 17.30 (27-08-09) which I did and Swamiji of math said, Whatever I quoted is very much correct.

He said that the Matha will register its name with

Tamilbrahmins.com

and write their view on me and my postings.

Further I sent a copy of mail to ASI for further excavations and to read the inscriptions at Rudrapatha.

I am sure the Government of India will come forward to make a spot study.

There is a Place 20 Kms from Subramanya as Gunte Cross or Gunte Check post.
They say that this is a place where route of Rudra Kunte take a diversion.

I wish any member of our Tamil Bramins group to visit that place and post his comments.

The books I have quoted as foot notes are with A.S.I., OML and Madras Record Room.

If you ask the librarian/ Curator/ Sanscrit Pandit They will show you the page.

Please read these books that I have given as foot notes and post the questions.

Regards
 
Dear Sri Ramachandran,
Could you kindly clarify my doubts?
Do you mean to say that the present Kudremukh range of mountains was called Sahaya and Malaya mountains in olden days?
YES Ref foot notes.
You say that the Malaya mountains extended upto Nilgiri. Does the present Kudremukh range include Nilgiri also?


Please ref foot note


Here, Rama saw these mountains where Sita Devi was sitting under Simsapa tree.
Do you mean to say that the Simsuapa tree was located in kudremukh range?
YES

There are chances that Ravana the Lankathipathi, was studying in the school of Ãpastambha, branch of which was located here[4].
Is it a wild guess or is it based on reasonable grounds. Please quote the relevant portion of the book. Has the period of writing of the book been authenticated?
Vamsabrahmanabhashyam. 1873 pp- xxvi-xxvii; Tanjore Saraswathi Mahal MSS 2516(=A) Devanagari and 9028(=B) Grantha

A gift of land was made on May 26th 1386 at the river bed of Pampa named Kil Kunda Nadu, Aragade Area, Santalige Nadu for the Athishtana of Vidyaranya Vidya theertha Bharathi Theertha[8].


Do you mean to say that the gift was made for the athishtanas of BOTH Vidayaranya theertha AND Bharathi theertha?
That was mentioned in Uttankita Sanskrit Vidyaranya Epigraphs Vol I , Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, Bombay 1985 pp-69-73

PSrvat!
I guess it is Parvati. The long list of meanings for the word pithra already confuses me. You could have avoided spelling mistakes and unnecessary abbreviations which make me more confused.
It is in the dictionary and not my mistake

Even though, this Place was called Pithra[9] Kunta[10] once upon a time the meaning of which is the ornament of three Vedas where all the three Vedas were taught
Even though you have given a long list of all the meanings for the word pithra, the one chosen by you, that is, the ornament of three Vedas where all the three Vedas were taught, is not found in it. What is the purpose of reeling out these irrelevant details?

The meaning of the Sanscrit text can be fulfilled with the words that follows. May be you argue that it is pithru , so I gave all the meanings for that particular word.

You read my thread twice or thrice and try to understand.
Just reading a line and creating a question is easy but a question should be asked like a student asking his Guru not as an emperor questioning his Slave

This may be due to the work that Skanda Swamin did on Rig Veda.
You have not mentioned who was Skanda swamin or what work did he do.

I really pity you Mr.Anbe Sivam, If you are a Brahmin from South India and read Vedas and its history once in your life time you will not put this question to me!

Chapter 5 of Bitragunta copper plates mentions, on May 30th 1356 a village called Bitragunda was renamed as Sri Skandapura by King Sangama II Son of Kampa[11]…..After Ramayana period This Pithra Kunda was just forgotten and not came in to picture.
Does this not imply that the Ramayana Period was after 1356?
Please read my Thread once again!

But there are reasons to believe that the Agama for Temples and Palaces were written by Maya and titled Mayamatha was from here only in B.C. 500.
Why have you not given ‘the reasons to believe’?

According to historians some say it is B.C.500 and some say it is B.C.500., since there are doubts on the age I used the wird that as reasons to believe

when his son Narasimha Varman formed a rock cut temple in Mahabali Puram, made everything in rock and even the Gopura Kalasa was also made by rock. But as it was against Agama, the king didn’t installed those rock Gopura Kalasa and kept that aside.
How do we know that Narasimhan had such an intention and how he was barred from executing it?

Please visit mahabalipuram once and see the gopura kalasams left as it is on the ground.
Mr.Govindaraj H.O.D of History Dept., Annamalai University (DDE) once said that the Gopura kalasas were made in granite left untouched !

Only the Brahmins from here formed and invented the Ganesa Idle (I think it is idol) which identifies the South Pole (Rahu).
How do you link Rahu, Ganesa and South Pole?

It is pure Vedic Science. If you see the paper Arabian Magic Plate which with ASI , Chennai all your doubts will be cleared.

Till A.D. 500 people were celebrating their birth days on Thithi based,
How did you arrive at the time-mark?

Please see the Horoscope of Adhi sankara!
According to Saunaka, Rig Veda has 21 Subtle branches which gives are guides for a correct approach on each and every letters written or composed.
What does this mean? I would like to know in Tamil.
Please read the book A.C.Clayton, Rig Veda and Vedic religion with readings from the Vedas, Christian Literary Society,
Madras 1913 pp-259-260

Trishub contains: 4,253 rics; Gayatri contains: 2,451 rics; Jagathi contains: 1,348 rics; Anushtub contains: 855; Ushnih contais : 341; Pankti contais : 312 others 849 making a total of 10,409 rics[23].
Can I take it to mean Rig veda contains 4253 rics composed in Trishtub metre and so on?
A.C.Clayton, Rig Veda and Vedic religion with readings from the Vedas, Christian Literary Society,
Madras 1913 pp-259-260


To sum up, I do not understand what you are trying to prove. You can take one small point and give your reasons crisply to prove it instead of dumping so much of unnecessary information and confounding the reader.

Evevthough I gave detailed information failed to satisfy you.
The reason for providing such a long and detailed information is for the Government officials, Who I hope will go to the site and inspect and give their opinion.


Veda is a text that it need to explained in each and every sentences.

This is pure history which I proved that Apastambha School was in Kukke Subramanya, here the Kukke is the sound that is created by peacock, and it spreads various colors, like south pole.

Bala Gangathara Thilakar wrote a book with evedenes that Rig Veda was created in B.C.25000., and our Upanishads says Sun rises in all directions and not only east!
Based on the Vedic astronomy and astrology I came to a conclusion that my findings are worth to be posted here.

That Brahmins should know their back ground and when we were taking our bath in water with pleasing smell but to day we are taking our bath some where.

The meaning of the brahmin is that a person who knows Brahma, not the god but the universe and who can feel the side effects of a day.
 
Dear Sri Ramachandran,
With all the humility of a student I approached you and you have reproached me with questioning like an emperor. You not even acknowledged your typographical error -ganesa idle for ganesa idol.

I never contested your main point that kuke subramanya was the seat of Apsthamba. I just wanted to get a clarification on some points leading to your argument.

Any impartial observer will find that you answered none of my questions specifically but only directed me to refer to great books, access to which I have no opportunity. That you convinced the Swaminji of Kuke Subramanya math of the correctness of your facts is great and I wish you all success.
 
The meaning of SAYYANNA this is not SAYYANNA but Saianna. The meaning for Sai is the LINK, the chain that holds the devotee with the Lord.Anna means elder brother.

This is Zend Avestian, which is similor to Sanscrit.

Shiradi Baba, who is beleived to be worshipped by Mohamadiens and a Hindus, carried this name. Baba is from Bapuji. So it is not a name and it is a respectable word, like Guruji in Sanscrit!
 
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