Chandrachooda Shiva Shankara Parvati..

[thebigthinkg]

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ChandraChooda Shiva Shankara Parvati is one of the great compositions of Purandara dAsa. He calls Shiva a parama vaishnava. Does that mean Shiva is inferior to Vishnu..?

Heat, Light, Motion are manifest effects of 'Energy' which neither can be created nor destroyed (hence unmanifest). Signaling, growth, death are manifest effects of 'consciousness' which can neither be created nor destroyed (hence unmanifest) Shiva is the unmanifest. Parvati is the manifest. How does unmanifest becomes manifest?

Higgs interaction condenses energy, causes mass of particles thereby seeding all the worlds of Universe. Same ways consciousness condenses as 'self/aham' of life, thereby seeding all life in the worlds.

Vishnu is this condenser of unmanifest to manifest, to create the Universe. The Unmanifest part remains a witness or sAksi to manifest part. For eg., when unmanifest consciousness (shiva) condenses as self (Vishnu), on it rises the mind (brahma) whose creations (our thoughts,actions) are witnessed by that unmanifest, which we call manas-sAksi.

Vaishnavas are those who submit to Vishnu (condenser of unmanifest to manifest). But the first one to submit to Vishnu is Shiva the unmanifest, enabling Vishnu to manifest the Universe. Hence Shiva is the life and breathe of Vishnu and parama-Vaishnava says purandara dasa.

Purandara dasa's chandra chooda shiva shankara parvati translation sung in tamil, essence in english

 

[Kashyap.E]

I have heard of texts that extol Shiva as the creator of both Vishnu and Brahma and what is more that the latter 2 are not even permanent but recycled with the lifespan of Brahma being 1 day for Vishnu and the lifespan of Vishnu being 1 day for Shiva.
Purandara dasa was an ardent Vaishnavaite and liked to proclaim Vishnu as the sole supreme power. There are lot of texts (which most are aware of) that it was always Shiva who instantly and thoughtlessly granted boons (which even a human with below par IQ would not) to wicked demons and it was always Vishnu who came to the rescue of humanity!
What I find shocking is that even today there are educated people with allegiance to different deities who cite scriptures and mythologies as if these are historical facts to prove that they are making the right choice!
I am agnostic (but not anti God) and I am unsure about the existence or otherwise of any supreme power. But one thing I am very sure about is that Parashakti, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Ahura Mazda, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah etc as described in various scriptures are only creations of known or unknown human beings. God (even if existing) has never communicated with any human either through incarnations or by appointing any one as a messiah or for that matter through telepathy.

 

[thebigthinkg]

Our understanding of not just scriptures but even the ancient saints and seers is through the historical lens filled with dust of ideas of people who came after these saints and seers. So our understanding is just our understanding.

There are three tattvas from our scriptures. The unmanifest (purusha) and manifest (prakrti), where unmanifest remains an observer (sAksi) of manifest. Then there is the one (pradhana) which makes the manifest from unmanifest.

Purusa is shiva, Prakrti is shakti, pradhana is vishnu. This is a design pattern followed in matter world as well as biological world.

In matter world, what we call 'energy' is unmanifest (purusa) in the sense it cannot be created or destroyed. Higgs field condenses energy in a region of space, creating 'mass' (pradhana) which becomes the basis of all 'matter' on which energy manifests (prakrti) in different forms (heat, motion, EM radiation etc). The unmanifest remains an observer (sAksi) of the manifest.

Same is with what we call 'consciousness' in the biological world. Consciousness is unmanifest (purusa) in the sense that it cannot be created or destroyed. Something condenses this consciousness as 'self/aham' (pradhana) in certain chemical combinations on which consciousness manifests (prakrti) in different ways (growth, metabolism, death, signaling etc). The unmanifest remains an observer (sAksi) of the manifest.

The only difference between buddhism and advaita was this acknowledgement of the unmanifest observer. Why should one even worry about some unmanifest that will just remain observer always..?

Adi Shankara answered it saying that unmanifest is the sAksi in our manas (manas-sAksi) which develops based on societal values. But for the manas-sAksi to be truly effective it has to be 'detached' from manas like that unmanifest observer. It has to develop by witnessing our body, our thoughts and actions, as we witness other's body, thoughts and actions. That' the true jnana vairagya. But that's not easy to develop. It's a journey. Bhakti or devotion is the path to that jnana vairagya.

Bhakti can be on any divinity. With that bhakti, our 'self' distances from our body and mind, moves towards that divinity, trains to become truly detached. Those who chose Shiva are shaivas, who chose vishnu are vaishnavas, shakti are shaaktas etc etc.

Purandara dAsa is a vaishnava in the sense he chose vishnu as that object of devotion. As long as bhakti leads to detachment and seeing multiple perspectives in a detached way, it is the path to jnAna. But if the object of devotion itself becomes a point of attachment, then it won't lead to jnAna.

Many of the gurus did not let their object of devotion to be their attachment. But people who followed them were not necessarily so. So the interpretations exists as totally opposite to the original intent of bhakti or devotion.

 

[sravna]

Historical facts are no more real than mythological ones. Which is to be more trusted? The brain and physical body or the mind? Mythological facts can be called imaginary but historical facts and physical experiences can be called illusion. A balance has to be struck so that the capabilities of mind and brain work in harmony and get rid of imaginary and illusory aspects and really see reality.

 

[renuka]

We usually think surrender means waving a white flag and losing to someone.
Surrender isnt submission as in losing out to someone or being inferior to the one we surrender too.

 

[RSSARMA52]

ChandraChooda Shiva Shankara Parvati is one of the great compositions of Purandara dAsa. He calls Shiva a parama vaishnava. Does that mean Shiva is inferior to Vishnu..?

Heat, Light, Motion are manifest effects of 'Energy' which neither can be created nor destroyed (hence unmanifest). Signaling, growth, death are manifest effects of 'consciousness' which can neither be created nor destroyed (hence unmanifest) Shiva is the unmanifest. Parvati is the manifest. How does unmanifest becomes manifest?

Higgs interaction condenses energy, causes mass of particles thereby seeding all the worlds of Universe. Same ways consciousness condenses as 'self/aham' of life, thereby seeding all life in the worlds.

Vishnu is this condenser of unmanifest to manifest, to create the Universe. The Unmanifest part remains a witness or sAksi to manifest part. For eg., when unmanifest consciousness (shiva) condenses as self (Vishnu), on it rises the mind (brahma) whose creations (our thoughts,actions) are witnessed by that unmanifest, which we call manas-sAksi.

Vaishnavas are those who submit to Vishnu (condenser of unmanifest to manifest). But the first one to submit to Vishnu is Shiva the unmanifest, enabling Vishnu to manifest the Universe. Hence Shiva is the life and breathe of Vishnu and parama-Vaishnava says purandara dasa.

Purandara dasa's chandra chooda shiva shankara parvati translation sung in tamil, essence in

Chandra Chooda Shiva Shankara Parvathi To the Almighty Shiva beloved of Parvathi, Ramana Ninage Namo Namo, Salutations to him who has the moon around his hair lock. Sundaratara Pinaka Dharahara, Wearing the skin of tiger as his dress and holding the bow. Sundaratara Pinaka Dharahara, Wearing the skin of tiger as his dress and holding the bow. Gangadhara Gaja Charmambaradhara, Holding the river goddess Ganga on his hair. Gangadhara Gaja Charmambaradhara, Controlling the speed of the flow through ... - Full article: Chandrachooda Shiva Shankara Parvathi Lyrics Meaning | GGVV - https://lyricsraag.com/chandrachooda-garuda-gamana-vrishabha-vahana/

 

[thebigthinkg]

Historical facts are no more real than mythological ones. Which is to be more trusted? The brain and physical body or the mind? Mythological facts can be called imaginary but historical facts and physical experiences can be called illusion. A balance has to be struck so that the capabilities of mind and brain work in harmony and get rid of imaginary and illusory aspects and really see reality.

We see history through the lens of scholars who write it. Often history changes depending on how the lens is made. What gets glorified becomes vilified later and vice-versa. Over a period the traces of both remain. When this 'history' appears counter to our 'logic' it becomes mythology.

Our mind cannot get rid of these illusions ever. We can only see multiple perspectives/colos that are divergent, understand them from their points and get closer (to white), but never really see all. That's the journey of 'life' in Universe.

What we call as 'Life', started with perceiving something and has evolved to perceiving a lot more and in the journey of perceiving 'all'.

 

[thebigthinkg]

We usually think surrender means waving a white flag and losing to someone.
Surrender isnt submission as in losing out to someone or being inferior to the one we surrender too.

Surrender or Submission or even loss does not mean inferior or superior.

 

[thebigthinkg]

Chandra Chooda Shiva Shankara Parvathi To the Almighty Shiva beloved of Parvathi, Ramana Ninage Namo Namo, Salutations to him who has the moon around his hair lock. Sundaratara Pinaka Dharahara, Wearing the skin of tiger as his dress and holding the bow. Sundaratara Pinaka Dharahara, Wearing the skin of tiger as his dress and holding the bow. Gangadhara Gaja Charmambaradhara, Holding the river goddess Ganga on his hair. Gangadhara Gaja Charmambaradhara, Controlling the speed of the flow through ... - Full article: Chandrachooda Shiva Shankara Parvathi Lyrics Meaning | GGVV - https://lyricsraag.com/chandrachooda-garuda-gamana-vrishabha-vahana/

The tamil song is just a transliteration of the original. I just explained why purandara dAsa calls shiva a parama vaishnava. Normally in the shaiva-vaishnava schism that originated from temple controls and human conflicts, it gets interpreted as someone superior or inferior.

 

[sravna]

Well said Sir. We give different perspectives and each may be projected as reality and accepted as such depending upon the times. We are indeed in the journey of seeing the ultimate reality.

 

[RSSARMA52]

This mesmerizing song is rendered by Sri.Sandeep Narayan & Madam Ragini Shankar at Isha Program. This is available in ""Sandeep Narayan"""" You Tube channel. As far as song different people given it's meaning but by listening to this song we meditate on Lord Shiva. Shiva Songs are all in high octave and you forget your existence while hearing it. That experience is our cocktail of bliss.
Even in our Swamy Nityananda Ashram the Noon Arthi they sing shiva arthi song. Total intoxicated feeling of bliss during the Pancha Arthi followed by Camphor Arthi.