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    Nava Thirupathi tour

    I had been to Srivaikuntam (near Tirunelveli in south Tamilnadu) recently in connection with my father's ceremony at my brother's place there. He had arranged a whirlwind tour for us (two brothers and wives) to Nava Thirupathies, which are within a short radius of Srivaikuntam.

    There are regular tour operators at Srivaikuntam who take the tourists to these 9 places (one is Srivaikuntam itself) within two to three hours. However it is worthwhile if you can spend enough time at each temple instead of rushing to all these 9 places within a fixed time frame of 2 to three hours to satisfy the taxi operator. The normal charge for this Nava thirupathi is Rs.450/- to Rs.500/- per trip with four to five passengers.

    The temples are by far very clean and nicely maintained, by TVS group, I am told. And special mention to all the priests at the temples who specifically make it a point to explain who is the God and Goddess there, what is the significance etc., Specially I was touched by the priests at Alwar Thirunagari and Then-Thirupperai where the priests took pains to educate the devotees/tourists with dedication.

    However, I cannot fail to mention that two adjoining temples (Rettai Thirupathi) are not in line with other temples. One temple was closed and locked at 5pm sharp (someone at the Temple mentioned it was Sunday on that day!). Another temple charged tickets for seeing the God - not entering Garba griha but just entering the temple itself they want to charge. Except these two temples at Rettai Thirupathi (associated with Rahu and Kethu) other temples were worth the visit. I hope the Trustees address this issue with the Rettai Thirupathi managers.

    There is this botanical wonder (Thiru Urangapuli Alwar) at Alwar Thirunagari where some thousands of year old tamarind tree, fossilized at the roots still grows, yields fruits and the leaves do not close at night, like other trees. And the priest there was proud enough to explain this in detail to the visitors.

    One disturbing trend was the Aarthi plate with Deepam was always presented with a one hundred rupee note dominantly placed there - just to tell the visitors that perhaps the legal tender is Rs.100/- and anyone offering lesser amount felt offended. Priest should refrain from putting this 100 rupee notes in the aarthi plate. I am sure it was not put by any visitor; if someone has indeed put it, the priest can take it and keep it aside instead of keeping it there on a permanent basis.

    And each temples is associated with one planet. I was thinking that Nava Graha temples are only in Tanjore District but these seem to be duplicated in Nava Thirupathi also. Is it a tradition only in Saiva temples to house a sannidhi for Planets or is it common for Vaishnavas too? I am not that knowledgeable in this respect. However, I heard that this is a recent trend in 'temple management' to promote religious tourism. I hope the scholars will enlighten me on this subject.

    Anyway I am happy to note that more people are turning to be religious with these new 'tours' culture.

    a.sundararaman
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    Excellent information, Mr. Sundara. Thanks
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    alwarthirunagari

    Regarding this Navathirupathi......

    You can stay in few mutts like uthrathi mutt (north indian) in Alwar Thirunagari as centre and take even any auto that may cost only less for three persons and visit all the Navathriupathi.
    No lunch breaks in most of them except may be Srivaikuntam and Alwarthirunagari . Reg Money collection is a news for me.Reg priests there is no such practice of forced collections like showing Rs100 note which also is shocking news . I had been to several times that side staying in Alwarthirunagari. In Alwarthirunagari there are people with science graduation , leaving their jobs and serving there. The Navagraha temples (Vaishanava ) are between Trichendurand Tirunelveli . You can visit both those places also . If you visit google search for NAVATHIRUPATHI you have lot of tour programmes . NAMAlWAR is one among the Alwars who sung pure tamilsongs with ADVAITHIC LORE . He is not a brahmin by birth but he was a Brahman. பிரம்மத்தில் நிலைத்தவர் ஆதலால் பிராமணர்.
    All the nine temples are well maintained by TVS group. Any complaint
    may lead to sending home of the priests .

    Some of the mutts in Alwarthirunagari give lunch also.
    The Navagraha related with Vaishanava and the other Navagraha with Saivait may be so
    but I am not sure and am not to declare that way.
    NAVA THRIUPATHIGAL ROUTE MAP CLICK HERE
    http://travel.webshots.com/photo/244...074389251YBRYj
    Last edited by akura; 07-10-2009 at 11:54 PM. Reason: addition
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    In Alwarthirunagari

    In Alwarthirunagari , if you stay in the Uthrathi Mutt , it will be very very nice. At the backyard , you have Tamarabarani river canal running through the Agraharam. You can have a beautiful bath and they will provide you food on request . After breakfast you can take some taxi, or auto as the case may be and finish by 0200 pm all the Navathirupathigal.

    Alwarthirunagari temple details are more to put it here . I am providing a link to go through more in detail so that you can feel the importance of NAMALWAR and the place there.
    From here you have lot of buses to Thiruchendur .Once atleast in your life time you must visit such places. All the Navathirupathi temples are well maintained by TVS , providing all facilities to the priests and pilgrims . Even there are surprise checks.

    The link for more detailed study..
    Alwartirunagari Info - Hindubooks.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by akura View Post
    NAMAlWAR is one among the Alwars who sung pure tamilsongs with ADVAITHIC LORE .

    Hello, will you please explain this further? I don't understand what you mean by "ADVAITHIC LORE".

    Thank you....
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    Dear Nara sir,
    He also rendered songs with advaithic philosphy .
    Thanks. Further details not available with me .
    please pardon me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akura View Post
    He also rendered songs with advaithic philosphy .
    Thanks. Further details not available with me .
    please pardon me.

    Dear Akura,

    Greetings! I was not trying to put you on a spot, but was not sure how familiar you were with Nammazhvar's poems. I am somewhat familiar and let me assure you, Swami Nammazhvar did not subscribe to the doctrine of Advaitanm, not that there is anything wrong or right about Advaitham.

    Bhagavat Ramanuja, the preeminent proponent of Visihtadvatam is supposed to have been, at the very least, inspired by Sri Nammazhvar while writing his magnum opus Sri Bhsahyam. The later scholars such as Swami Sri Desikan and Swami Pillai Lokacharya profusely quote Nammazhvar to bolster their position.

    There are 10 verses in Swami Nammazhvar's Thirvaymozhi, namely 5th decade 6th Thiruvay Mozhi. These 10 are particularly moving. Let me give you just one verse as a sample.

    கடல்ஞாலம் செய்தேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலம் ஆவேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலம் கொண்டேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலம் கீண்டேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலம் உண்டேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலத்தீசன் வந்தேறக் கொலொ
    கடல்ஞாலத்தீர்க்கு இவையென் சொல்லுகேன்
    கடல்ஞாலத்து என் மகள் கற்கின்றனவே


    Here, Swami Nammazhvar takes on the role of the mother of a girl who has so madly fallen in love with Sriman Narayana that she has lost all sense of self and started blabbering as though she is no different from her lover, Sriman Narayana. When these 10 verses are taken out of context from the 1296 verses he sang, it may look like Advaitham.

    BTW, for all Sri Vaishnavas, both Brahmins and Non-brahmins, Swami Nammazhavar, a Shudra, is the ultimate acharya in this world. From him the Acharya lineage passes on to Viswaksenar, Laxmi, and Sriman Narayana. The revolutionary beginning of Sri Vaishnavam somehow got derailed and today, even in the presence of the actual mortal remains of the great revolutionary Bhagavat Ramanauja within the precincts of Sri Ranganatha temple in Sri Rangam, NBs are treated as second class human beings.

    Cheers!
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    Dear Nara,
    Thanks for the clarifications and knowledge . The subject is very
    sensitive .In the presence of Sri Ramana Bhagavan the same song
    is quoted and some explanations given (In letters by surinagamma)
    the mother feeling about the daughter etc...
    There itself Bhagavan replied same way as you have ,avoiding
    controversies . I was not for disputing anything , this is one of the
    views only so I avoided arguments and more over, I do not have any
    references to quote and further clarify the details , but it so happened
    what I wanted to reply really the same way you have given it .


    I think as Ramana used in his ulladhu naarpathu ,
    the word உள்ள has been used (much earlier) by Nammaalwar
    My greetings and warm reagards !
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    நன்றி நாரா அவர்களே
    அவை பத்தும் ...........

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    கடல்ஞாலம் கொண்டேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலம் கீண்டேனும் யானே என்னும்,
    கடல்ஞாலம் முண்டேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கடல்ஞாலத் தீசன்வந் தேறக் கொலோ?,
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    காண்கின்ற வெந்தீயெல்லாம் யானே என்னும்
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    உரைக்கின்ற முகில்வண்ண னேறக் கொலோ?,
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    3296
    கொடிய வினையாது மிலனே என்னும்
    கொடியவினை யாவேனும் யானே என்னும்,
    கொடியவினை செய்வேனும் யானே என்னும்
    கொடியவினை தீர்ப்பேனும் யானே என்னும்,
    கொடியா னிலங்கைசெற் றேனே என்னும்
    கொடியபுள் ளுடையவ னேறக் கொலோ?,
    கொடிய வுலகத்தீர்க் கிவையென் சொல்லுகேன்
    கொடியேன் கொடியென் மகள்கோ லங்களே? 5.6.9
    3297
    கோலங்கொள் சுவர்க்கமும் யானே என்னும்
    கோலமில் நரகமும் யானே என்னும்,
    கோலம்திகழ் மோக்கமும் யானே என்னும்
    கோலங்கொ ளுயிர்களும் யானே என்னும்,
    கோலங்கொள் தனிமுதல் யானே என்னும்
    கோலங்கொள் முகில்வண்ண னேறக் கொலோ?
    கோலங்கொ ளுலகத் தீர்க்கென் சொல்லுகேன்
    கோலந் திகழ்கோ தையென்கூந் தலுக்கே. 5.6.10
    3298
    கூந்தல்மலர் மங்கைக்கும் மண்மடந் தைக்கும்
    குலவாயர் கொழுந்துக்கும் கேள்வன் தன்னை
    வாய்ந்த வழுதி நாடன் மன்னு
    குருகூர்ச் சடகோபன் குற்றே வல்செய்து,
    ஆய்ந்த தமிழ்மாலை ஆயி ரத்துள்
    இவையுமோர் பத்தும்வல் லார்,உலகில்
    ஏந்து பெருஞ்செல்வந் தாராய்த் திருமால்
    அடியார் களைப்பூ சிக்கநோற் றார்களே. 5.6.11
    Last edited by akura; 09-10-2009 at 09:15 AM.
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    In Srivaikuntam about 12 kms from Thirunelveli enroute to Thiruchendur there is a village Karungulam. On a small hill u have the temple of Venkatachalapathi.The main
    Vigragam is 2 pieces of Sandalwood logs. Adjoining the temple There is a tamarind tree whose leaves do not close in the night(URANGA PULIA MARAM).It is a temple of more than 1000yrs old.By offering prayers there all boons r answered .The pournami day on Chitrai month is celebrated in a grand manner with every one connected with the village being there on that day from Far & Near
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