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    Dear brother sarang, Shri Sangom made a very serious allegation against you and you went silent for several days. He suspects you are a Muslim. I am very skeptical, but, I am very surprised you did not respond. AFAIC, what if you are, you are no less a brother to me, and no more -- your religious persuasion is irrelevant to me, but I think it would mean a great deal to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by london swaminathan View Post


    Thanks for the post, esp. the diagrams.

    Whenever I have read a couple of google books on those divisions, the landmarks, names etc., I struggled with the mapping.

    The dwipa is described in Srimad Bhagavatam. It was described as one land mass, like a lotus leaf with the center mound/meru. Looks like, the continents spread out with more geo-activity. This must have been specific to a yuga/era and earth kept changing always over longer periods/yugas.

    Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Chapter 16

    Even accor. to scientific history, there was one land mass called 'Pangea'.
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    Ages ago I told you I am not your brother. There cannot be a worse calamity than that.

    Surprising to keep tab on who calls who what and waiting for an answer; pathetic. I don't remember when any allegation was made; will respond if it is raised again.

    Back to the story; how was the goods cleared? some customs officers, irrespective of their category - reserved or open or forward or brahmin - do help out without expecting anything in return.

    If the story carried any other message, I missed it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nara View Post
    Dear brother sarang, Shri Sangom made a very serious allegation against you and you went silent for several days. He suspects you are a Muslim. I am very skeptical, but, I am very surprised you did not respond. AFAIC, what if you are, you are no less a brother to me, and no more -- your religious persuasion is irrelevant to me, but I think it would mean a great deal to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Govinda View Post
    Thanks for the post, esp. the diagrams.

    Whenever I have read a couple of google books on those divisions, the landmarks, names etc., I struggled with the mapping.

    The dwipa is described in Srimad Bhagavatam. It was described as one land mass, like a lotus leaf with the center mound/meru. Looks like, the continents spread out with more geo-activity. This must have been specific to a yuga/era and earth kept changing always over longer periods/yugas.

    Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Chapter 16

    Even accor. to scientific history, there was one land mass called 'Pangea'.
    220px-Pangaea_continents.svg.png

    Mr. Govindaji,
    Can you explain the similarity between mythical pangea and jambudwipa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarang View Post
    Ages ago I told you I am not your brother. There cannot be a worse calamity than that.
    My dear brother sarang, this reminds me of my chittappa getting angry with my father and storming out of our house shouting, "you are not my brother". However much you see this as a calamity, we are all brothers and sisters in this world.

    Surprising to keep tab on who calls who what and waiting for an answer; pathetic. I don't remember when any allegation was made; will respond if it is raised again.
    This is what brothers are for, when a serious allegation is made against my brother I consider it my duty to bring it to his attention so that it can be properly dealt with. Here, I give you the link so that you can consider it and give us a clarification.

    Saligrama stone


    Back to the story; how was the goods cleared? some customs officers, irrespective of their category - reserved or open or forward or brahmin - do help out without expecting anything in return.

    If the story carried any other message, I missed it.
    Well, obviously, you have completely missed the point, it is not about the medical instrument, it is not about paying duty, etc. I suppose your zeal to criticize your brother, yours truly, blinded you to the point that even in this day and age the Brahmin superiority mindset is latent and ready to burst out. Those who are honest would admit that this is not a story of some isolated bigot, but an all too common one to be found in every family. That is the message, and I posted it because this OP has made a lot of posts proclaiming how great Brahmins are.

    Now, as you guys start to bash me for pointing this out, which is fine, please do not ignore the charge that has been made against you, I provide the link a second time for good measure.

    Saligrama stone

    best of love and wishes to you my dear brother sarang
    கல்வியறிவும், சுயமரியாதை எண்ணமும், பகுத்தறிவுத் தன்மையுமே தாழ்ந்து கிடக்கும் மக்களை உயர்த்தும் .....
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    Puranic description as per Hindu cosmology


    According to Puranic cosmography, the earth is divided into seven concentric island continents (sapta-dvipa vasumati) separated by the seven encircling oceans, each double the size of the preceding one. The seven continents of the Puranas are stated as Jambudvipa, Plaksadvipa, Salmalidvipa, Kushadvipa, Krounchadvipa, Shakdvipa, and Pushkaradvipa. Seven intermediate oceans consist of salt-water, sugarcane juice, wine, ghee, curd, milk and water respectively.

    Continent Jambudvipa (Indian Blackberry Island), also known as Sudarshanadvipa, forms the innermost concentric island in the above scheme. Its name is said to derive from a Jambu tree (another name for the Indian Blackberry, a kind of black plum). The fruits of the Jambu tree are said to be as large as elephants and when they become rotten and fall upon the crest of the mountains, a river of juice is formed from their expressed juice. The river so formed is called Jambunadi (Jambu river) and flows through Jambudvipa, whose inhabitants drink its waters. Insular continent Jambudvipa is said to comprise nine varsas (zones) and eight significant mountains.

    Markandeya Purana portrays Jambudvipa as being depressed on its south and north and elevated and broad in the middle. The elevated region forms the varsa named Ila-vrta or Meruvarsa. At the center of Ila-vrta lies the golden Mount Meru, the king of mountains and the support of the planet earth. On the summit of Mount Meru is the vast city of Lord Brahma, known as Brahmapuri.

    Markandeya Purana and Brahmanda Purana divide Jambudvipa into four vast regions shaped like four petals of a lotus with Mount Meru being located at the center like a pericarp. The city of Brahmapuri is said to be enclosed by the river Ganga, known as Akash Ganga. River Ganga is said to issue forth from the foot of Lord Vishnu and after washing the lunar region falls “through the skies” and after encircling the Brahmapuri “splits up into four mighty streams”, which are said to flow in four opposite directions from the landscape of Mount Meru and irrigate the vast lands of Jambudvipa. River Sita irrigates the Bhadrasva varsa, river Jambunadi streams through the Ketumala varsa, river Alakananda flows through the Bharata varsa and river Bhadra washes the lands of the Uttara-Kuru varsa.

    If Ganga flows from Mount Meru, then why is gangotri in Himalayan Range.

    Mount Meru (or Sumeru) is identified with the vast Nagard Sarovar in the center of the modern Pamir mountain range.
    NOT IN INDIA.
    800px-Tarimrivermap.png

    The river Sita (Sito of Hiuen Tsiang) corresponds to the Yarkand River. The Yarkand River is a river in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of western China. It is one of the headstreams of the Tarim River.

    Bhadrasva varsa probably corresponds to the major part of Xinjiang province of China and the region lying to its east.

    Uttara-Kuru varsa is the region to the north of the Pamirs. It probably includes the north-western parts of Xinjiang province of China, the Tien Shan region, and most parts of Kyrgyzstan.

    Ketumala varsa is said to be the region spanned by the Amu Darya, and therefore may correspond to western Turkmenistan, north-west Afghanistan (ancient Bactria) and north-east Iran.

    The Shakadvipa (the vast Scythe region) was identified by some as north Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan and some regions to north and west of the Caspian Sea.

    The author of Vayu Purana uses the name Kumuda-dvipa for Kusha-dvipa. Kumuda is also a Puranic name of a mountain forming the northern buttress of Mount Meru (i.e. Pamirs). In anterior Epic Age Kumuda was the name given to high table-land of the Tartary located to north of the Himalaya range. Thus, the Kumuda-dvipa lay close to the Pamirs. Some scholars connect this Kumuda (the Komdei of Ptolemy, probably Kamdesh from Kamboj-desh?) with ancient Iranian Kambojas.


    Does it remotely correspond to modern India?

    It is more like we are talking of Central Asia, I thought the Aryan Invasion was debunked.

    So this proves that Hinduism does not belong to the Indian subcontinent. It is central Asian.

    There should be some connection made to Jambudwipa and Geographic reality of the world.
    Or is it all a fiction.

    I know some members here have no issue with claiming a pure fiction as science.

    So may be India is not in Jambhudwipa..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Govinda View Post
    Thanks for the post, esp. the diagrams.

    Whenever I have read a couple of google books on those divisions, the landmarks, names etc., I struggled with the mapping.

    The dwipa is described in Srimad Bhagavatam. It was described as one land mass, like a lotus leaf with the center mound/meru. Looks like, the continents spread out with more geo-activity. This must have been specific to a yuga/era and earth kept changing always over longer periods/yugas.

    Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Chapter 16

    Even accor. to scientific history, there was one land mass called 'Pangea'.
    Where will you place it in relation to the modern earth?
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    Conclusions by sangom and you are your affair. I am a virat brahmin and proud of my culture, tradition, sampradayam and everything associated it.

    I missed sangom's post or I would have responded then, or perhaps not, as I don't have to respond wild and idiotic guesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nara View Post
    My dear brother sarang, this reminds me of my chittappa getting angry with my father and storming out of our house shouting, "you are not my brother". However much you see this as a calamity, we are all brothers and sisters in this world.

    This is what brothers are for, when a serious allegation is made against my brother I consider it my duty to bring it to his attention so that it can be properly dealt with. Here, I give you the link so that you can consider it and give us a clarification.

    Saligrama stone


    Well, obviously, you have completely missed the point, it is not about the medical instrument, it is not about paying duty, etc. I suppose your zeal to criticize your brother, yours truly, blinded you to the point that even in this day and age the Brahmin superiority mindset is latent and ready to burst out. Those who are honest would admit that this is not a story of some isolated bigot, but an all too common one to be found in every family. That is the message, and I posted it because this OP has made a lot of posts proclaiming how great Brahmins are.

    Now, as you guys start to bash me for pointing this out, which is fine, please do not ignore the charge that has been made against you, I provide the link a second time for good measure.

    Saligrama stone

    best of love and wishes to you my dear brother sarang
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    I am a virat brahmin and proud
    Is there a contradiction in that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarang View Post
    ..... I am a virat brahmin ....... I missed sangom's post or I would have responded then, or perhaps not, ...
    Fair enough my dear brother sarang, I will take your word that you are a virat Brahmin -- BTW what does it mean virat-Brahmin, I thought one of the qualities of Brahmins is humility.

    In any case, I once again offer my hand in friendship, the kind of friendship that is characterized by mutual respect and vigorous debate on issues we disagree on, if Rajaji can be friends with EVR why can't you and I be friends? Please think about it.

    with lots of brotherly love, Dileepan
    கல்வியறிவும், சுயமரியாதை எண்ணமும், பகுத்தறிவுத் தன்மையுமே தாழ்ந்து கிடக்கும் மக்களை உயர்த்தும் .....
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