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    Extinction of Charavakas line...

    Pranams,

    Extract of an article published in The Hindu dt:1st Dec.2013 - Open Page -
    'Of liquor shops & supersitions' by G. Dwarakanath.


    Hundreds of years ago there was a group of people called Charavakas who preached atheism. Charavakam means asking difficult questions. This group was well informed about the Vedas and other scriptural lore and would ask incovenient questions that the believers found it difficult to answer................


    One of the cardinal teachings of the Charavakas was Beg, Borrow or Steal, make yourself happy and enjoy today whatever you want because you may not be alive tomorrow............


    The group started with ordering solitary confinement of the queen and later supervised the birth of the child so that no other child was substituted in the place of the ligitimate baby.


    After some time the Charavakas became bold enough to demand that they be allowed to watch the king and the queen copulating, so that, they could certify the legitimacy of the child....An angry king chopped off the heads of these busy bodies and other kings also picked up courage and followed suit. That ultimately led to the extinction of the Charvaka line.



    Would like to know more on this


    With regards

    Courtesy: The Hindu dt:01.12.2013 - OPEN PAGE
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    No, some of them moved here to TB site, LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by V.Balasubramani View Post
    .....One of the cardinal teachings of the Charavakas was Beg, Borrow or Steal, make yourself happy and enjoy today whatever you want because you may not be alive tomorrow............
    If you are going to copy/paste at least give a link to the original article, that is the least one could do: Of liquor shops & superstitions - The Hindu

    Charvaka/Lokayata is the earliest materialist philosophy ever developed. You would find similar thought among Greek philosophers such as Epicurus who also argued there is no after life and the only goal is to be happy. They did not believe in gluttonous consumption because that will lead to serious unhappiness even though there was some amount of fleeting happiness to be found. Yet, ignorant people equate Epicurus with fine dining.

    Only bits and pieces of Charvaka text is available, that too only via poorvapaksha discussion of commentators. They were obviously hostile to Charvaka thought. Some of these commentators were downright mean to suggest Charvakas encouraged beg, borrow, steal. But, that is what we have to face, hostility free of knowledge, crush the opposing view with lies and outright lies.


    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    No, some of them moved here to TB site, LOL
    well prasad1 strikes again, always angry at those who dare to have a different POV. His obvious mock aside, yes, I am more drawn to Charvaka philosophy than the superstition ridden Vedanta of all kinds, and, almost forgot, LOL ....
    கல்வியறிவும், சுயமரியாதை எண்ணமும், பகுத்தறிவுத் தன்மையுமே தாழ்ந்து கிடக்கும் மக்களை உயர்த்தும் .....
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    New archaeological discovery places the birth of another darshana that rejected the Vedas by 300 years earlier than previously thought .....

    Archaeologists' discovery puts Buddha's birth 300 years earlier | World news | The Observer
    கல்வியறிவும், சுயமரியாதை எண்ணமும், பகுத்தறிவுத் தன்மையுமே தாழ்ந்து கிடக்கும் மக்களை உயர்த்தும் .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nara View Post
    If you are going to copy/paste at least give a link to the original article, that is the least one could do: Of liquor shops & superstitions - The Hindu

    Charvaka/Lokayata is the earliest materialist philosophy ever developed. You would find similar thought among Greek philosophers such as Epicurus who also argued there is no after life and the only goal is to be happy. They did not believe in gluttonous consumption because that will lead to serious unhappiness even though there was some amount of fleeting happiness to be found. Yet, ignorant people equate Epicurus with fine dining.

    Only bits and pieces of Charvaka text is available, that too only via poorvapaksha discussion of commentators. They were obviously hostile to Charvaka thought. Some of these commentators were downright mean to suggest Charvakas encouraged beg, borrow, steal. But, that is what we have to face, hostility free of knowledge, crush the opposing view with lies and outright lies.


    well prasad1 strikes again, always angry at those who dare to have a different POV. His obvious mock aside, yes, I am more drawn to Charvaka philosophy than the superstition ridden Vedanta of all kinds, and, almost forgot, LOL ....
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    he group started with ordering solitary confinement of the queen and later supervised the birth of the child so that no other child was substituted in the place of the ligitimate baby.
    That would be more interest to some of these charvakas than anything philosophical.
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    Charvaka professed their founders to be the teachers and Lords of the world, while they refuse to believe in the Eternal, Supreme Spirit who is the Lord of Lords. The question is who was the teacher of those founders? If the answer is that they evolved knowledge out their own minds, it cannot be right, because no effect can come into existence without a cause. The teacher had to be taught.

    Ethics of Charvaka is a crude individual hedonism; pleasure of the senses in this life and that too of the individual is the sole end. Considering ethical concepts, Charvakas regarded the notion of good and evil as an illusion created by the human imagination. They suggested that only aim of human life is happiness of their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nara View Post
    If you are going to copy/paste at least give a link to the original article, that is the least one could do: Of liquor shops & superstitions - The Hindu

    Charvaka/Lokayata is the earliest materialist philosophy ever developed. You would find similar thought among Greek philosophers such as Epicurus who also argued there is no after life and the only goal is to be happy. They did not believe in gluttonous consumption because that will lead to serious unhappiness even though there was some amount of fleeting happiness to be found. Yet, ignorant people equate Epicurus with fine dining.

    Only bits and pieces of Charvaka text is available, that too only via poorvapaksha discussion of commentators. They were obviously hostile to Charvaka thought. Some of these commentators were downright mean to suggest Charvakas encouraged beg, borrow, steal. But, that is what we have to face, hostility free of knowledge, crush the opposing view with lies and outright lies.

    Sir,

    Thanks for the information on Charvakas and the Archaeology discovery link.

    As for providing link in C&P postings, shall stick to that in future.

    With regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by V.Balasubramani View Post
    ....As for providing link in C&P postings, shall stick to that in future.
    You are gracious, I appreciate it ..... warm regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasad1 View Post
    Charvaka professed their founders to be the teachers and Lords of the world, while they refuse to believe in the Eternal, Supreme Spirit who is the Lord of Lords. The question is who was the teacher of those founders? If the answer is that they evolved knowledge out their own minds, it cannot be right, because no effect can come into existence without a cause. The teacher had to be taught.

    Ethics of Charvaka is a crude individual hedonism; pleasure of the senses in this life and that too of the individual is the sole end. Considering ethical concepts, Charvakas regarded the notion of good and evil as an illusion created by the human imagination. They suggested that only aim of human life is happiness of their own.
    Sir,

    Thanks for the information.


    With regards
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    BTW I had a to study a little about Charvaka Philosophy during me final part of my 2 year Sanskrit course and it was clearly stated that even though Charvaka Philosophy was not believing in the Authority of Vedas it was still very much encouraging peace and harmony and good behaviour among its followers.

    So I wonder how much is actually true about the article in the OP to start with.
    Last edited by renuka; 02-12-2013 at 07:31 AM.
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