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    Whether there is provision for Upanayanam after getting married

    One of my close relative son( Iyer Vadama) got married with an other community girl. Unfortunately Upanayanam was not been done due to some unavoidable reasons. Is there any provision for Upanayanam ? As the boy is now wants
    the same, kindly inform if there is any provision.

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    I don't see why he couldn't. A friend of mine received it when he was in his mid-30's, but he was single at the time as well.
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    Hello,

    As far as i know there are several complications into this. the upanayanam needs to be completed before the 13th age. After upanayanam only the guy gets his rights to recite the veda mantras. There are prayaschittas for late upanayanam but there also it has some restrictions.

    The Way of Life is designed in such a way as it progress from step 1 to step 2 and so on and there is no reverse gear. Till upanayana the guy is considered to be a child. Upanayana is the gate pass for the entry into the first stage called "Brahmacharya" and then only he can enter into the family life called "Grasthasrama". In the case mentioned by you , since he has not had the upanayana happened the validity of his marriage is also in question as he doesn't have the rights to recite the vedic mantras(If the marriage happend in Our way). I personally feel there is no going back as per the sasthras and even if it is done there is no legitimate use in it.

    This is just my opinion and the elders and veterans may have other opinions too.


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    Arun M
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    Brahminization through community “Upanayanam”

    Held under the auspices of the RSS-body, “Kerala Kshetra Samrakshana Samithi” (Kerala Temple Protection Forum), nine children from different castes were given the holy thread amidst chanting of vedic rites and performance of various rituals under the control and guidance of “Thantris”, the Brahminical priests. The nine children who thus attained the “noble status” of Brahminism through wearing of holy thread belonged to the non-Brahminical upper castes of “Kshatriyas” and “Nairs”, the Backward “Ezhava”, the OBC “Viswakarma” and the Dalit “Araya” castes.


    The function was held under the ostensible ground that a person could attain “Brahmanyam” through performance of duty and not by right of birth. This, according to the organisers, was the “important essence” of what is known as “Paliyam Declaration” of 1987 following the congregation of Kerala’s Vedic Pandits and scholars at Paliyam, near Chennamangalam in Thrissur District. According to the “Paliyam Declaration”, anybody can attain “Brahmanyam” through “Karma” (duty), even if he was born in a different non-Brahmin caste. All such Brahmins through performance of duty can also become priests to perform “Pooja”, including in Temples, according to the “Paliyam Declaration”. The organisers of the community “Upanayanam” claimed that the function was a fulfillment of the 14-year old “Paliyam Declaration”. It was also claimed that this would be a land-mark event in Kerala’s history of social progress to eliminate caste.

    The Iskcon (International Society for Krishna Consciousness), a spiritual organisation of worldwide reputation, functioning all over the world, have members of various religions who have undergone Upanayanam, grow tuft, wear saffron clothes and function as Hindus.
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    A Brahmin friend's daughter married an American (anglo-sexton), the Hindu priest conducted the wedding. Just before the wedding he decided that the boy should have poonal. So he conducted upanaynam and then the marriage.
    Happily they have beautiful family and successful life. I do not know if the boy still does his Sandyanavandanam.

    Recently they celebrated the Upanayanam of their son who is now 12 years old.
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    My dad was a "vaideega" and the similar request came from a relative. My dad, then told him that it cannot be done after marriage. Though, they got it done through other priests. As per our shastras, as someone mentioned, we go through the steps. Once you miss it, you miss it. You can't go back.
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    Sir,
    If there ia a desire, there is a way to get done anything. In Hinduism you can find excuse to get around any "so called Sashtras".
    Shastras are not Vedas. No body has any authority on shastras. So find the right priest and get done what ever you fancy. But for true realization you do not need to convert or go through any procedure.
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    Upanayanam is to be done for the boy who has spatika-like mind. That is, after 7 yrs. He is supposed to be taken to a teacher without a corrupted mind. After many a travail and turmoil, one should have become comparatively a better man and acquiring a bit of knowledge of what the scriptures say. So the poonal becomes unnecessary for those who are well past that impressionable age. Suppose you want to give treats to your friends and near and distant relatives in the manner you want, then there are people who will do anything for money. In the modern world it is always one's choosing. Shastras tell you only when to do a thing right. I doubt that anybody can challenge this.
    கற்றது கை மண் அளவு, கல்லாதது உலகளவு.
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    "The Dharmashastras are bound to shock the sensibilities of many educated modern men and women. These scriptures belong to an age when people conducted their lives based on certain beliefs, values, traditions and assumptions. It is not fair to judge them based on our present day values and social norms. On the positive side Hinduism marched ahead while these law books lost their relevance and fell aside into the dustbin of history. The books have become relics of the past while Hinduism assimilated new currents of thought and transformed itself into a progressive, evolving and expanding religious tradition."
    "Some of the laws prescribed in the Dharama Sutras are therefore bound to offend the sensibilities and sentiments of many modern day Hindus, who have been brought upon the values of equality, individual liberty and social justice. Many verses in these scriptures stand in contrast to these fundamental values that define many democratic societies today and characterize the free world. Readers are requested to consider these scriptures from an academic or historical point of view to understand the times they represent. To consider them as the authoritative text books of present day moral or social values of Hinduism would be an anathema. They belong to a particular time frame and represent certain social and moral values most of which are irrelevant today."






    By V.Jayaram
    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredsc...mashastras.asp

    Mr. Iyyarooraan,
    Shastras tell you only when to do a thing right. I doubt that anybody can challenge this.
    Manu Is so much biased and prejudiced against woman that he denies her any property and marital rights. Even the
    Vedas proclaim that the mind of a woman is uncontrollable and there can be no friendship with women for they have wicked hearts. Later works of sruti have also described women as weak and wretched", and no sympathy or kindness must be shown to a woman. In Dharmasastra the position of woman sank to an all time low level.

    Criticisms of the Laws of Manu


    Present-day scholars have criticized the work significantly. The rigidity in the caste system and the contemptible attitude towards women are not acceptable today. The almost divine reverence shown to the Brahmin caste and the despicable attitude towards the 'Sudras' (the lowest caste) is objectionable. The Sudras were forbidden to participate in the Brahmin rituals and were subjected to severe punishments whereas the Brahmins were exempted from any kind of reprimand for crimes. The practice of medicine was prohibited to the upper caste. Women were considered inept, inconsistent, and sensual and were restrained from learning the Vedic texts or participating in important social functions. They were kept in abject subjugation all their lives.
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    Mr. Sarang posted this:
    kuruvi kootam
    Is that in our Sastras? But it is a welcome sign.
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