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    Dear sir

    Sringeri Mutt, Srirangam is helping brahmins to do their Sradham in vedic way. One magnanimous brahmin gave his house to the mutt having ground floor & first floor.

    They have different kitchen on the ground and first floor with mixi, grinder separate for each sradham.

    The mami (cook) comes in the morning. Everyday, they buy the item freshly except Curd, Milk which do not have dosham.

    Mami can start cooking only 4 naligai after sunrise. The priest comes about 10.00am.

    Whatever the balance material (rice, dall or anything) will be kept separately and given to the poor people once in a year. (means, they will not use the balance quantity for other sradham).

    i do not know whether this post is relevant to this tread, but i wish to share my knowledge about the place where sradham is being done as per shastra and you can use it in case you need.
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    Namassadhasae.


    Thanks for the information on the facility of performing sradhdham at Srirangam at Sringeri Mutt. The information will be of use to community members, who like to perform sradhdham at Srirangam.

    I like to add that in Mylapore Sankara Mutt (Near Chithrakulam), earlier there were arrangements to perform only two sradhdhams at a time (facilities to perform sradhdhams by two parties). Just four months back, this facility is increased to 5 sradhdhams at a time (on any given day), to meet the demands of the public, at a nominal cost for the place.

    I am sure various efforts are being made in this area and it is better these facilities are made known to the users attractively and the facilities made use of by the users fully.

    It is suggested that places like this, may provide maximum facilities including vaidheegals, mami for cooking (A to Z in the conduct of a sradhdham) at nominal cost. There need to be qualitative and quantitative improvements in offering these services. Infact, this is a very great community service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G. Soundara Rajan View Post
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    I am sure various efforts are being made in this area and it is better these facilities are made known to the users attractively and the facilities made use of by the users fully.

    It is suggested that places like this, may provide maximum facilities including vaidheegals, mami for cooking (A to Z in the conduct of a sradhdham) at nominal cost. There need to be qualitative and quantitative improvements in offering these services. Infact, this is a very great community service.
    Shri Soundararajan,

    I do not consider that spending a little more, once or twice a year, on Sraddhams is unaffordable to the majority of the members here. Hence it is alright even if the cook and vaideekars are charging reasonably well. I would on the contrary suggest that there can be subsidised rates for those who are unable to afford the regular charges and this may be cross-subsidised from the rest.

    After all it was mainly due to the reluctance on the part of tambrams to pay more for vaideekans that many left that field. We must remember that also.

    Having said all these, it is worthy to note that the Dharmasastras do not consider the cooking done by some member outside the family, as in order. They allow the performer of the Sraaddham, his wife, daughter-in-law etc., to cook the food for the 'brahmanas'; others are not allowed and such a Sraaddham - where others cook the food for being served to the brahmanas - does not seem to be valid as per the Dharmasastras!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangom View Post
    Shri Soundararajan,

    I do not consider that spending a little more, once or twice a year, on Sraddhams is unaffordable to the majority of the members here. Hence it is alright even if the cook and vaideekars are charging reasonably well. I would on the contrary suggest that there can be subsidised rates for those who are unable to afford the regular charges and this may be cross-subsidised from the rest.

    After all it was mainly due to the reluctance on the part of tambrams to pay more for vaideekans that many left that field. We must remember that also.

    Having said all these, it is worthy to note that the Dharmasastras do not consider the cooking done by some member outside the family, as in order. They allow the performer of the Sraaddham, his wife, daughter-in-law etc., to cook the food for the 'brahmanas'; others are not allowed and such a Sraaddham - where others cook the food for being served to the brahmanas - does not seem to be valid as per the Dharmasastras!
    Having said all these, it is worthy to note that the Dharmasastras do not consider the cooking done by some member outside the family, as in order. They allow the performer of the Sraaddham, his wife, daughter-in-law etc., to cook the food for the 'brahmanas'; others are not allowed and such a Sraaddham - where others cook the food for being served to the brahmanas - does not seem to be valid as per the Dharmasastras!

    Q. Are the dAyadhis permitted to cook, as per sastras? I know that they can partake the shradda meal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwamiTaBra View Post
    Having said all these, it is worthy to note that the Dharmasastras do not consider the cooking done by some member outside the family, as in order. They allow the performer of the Sraaddham, his wife, daughter-in-law etc., to cook the food for the 'brahmanas'; others are not allowed and such a Sraaddham - where others cook the food for being served to the brahmanas - does not seem to be valid as per the Dharmasastras!

    Q. Are the dAyadhis permitted to cook, as per sastras? I know that they can partake the shradda meal.

    Regards,
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    Shri Swami,

    My memory is that the cooking of the food to the brahmanas is best done by the performer of Sraaddha himself; the addition of his immediate family itself seems to be a later allowance. Daayaatis can partake of the "SEsham" but curiously, many smritis enjoin that the SEsham be shared by the performer with his near and dear including the servants (caste not specified, but).

    Anyway I will again go thorugh and post, in a day or two, if there is any change/s to be made to the above.
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    Shri Sangom Sir :

    Thank you for your views.

    No doubt, it is the best, if sradhdhams are performed in one's own house. Cooked by the kuta's wife herself.

    According to the niyamangal for performing sradhdha, own house is the best or the rented place in which the kurta dwells or at a place for which the rent for performing the sradhdham is paid (sreshtam seriatum pls.).

    All may not be having the facility to conduct sradhdhams in their place of living, due to various reasons. Mixture of other than brahmins in a store type accommodation, less space availability etc. When looking for a place to conduct sradhdhams, the role of places like Sankara Mutt etc. arise.

    Your view that spending in one/two occasions a sizeable amount for the satisfaction of one's own pitrus need not be made a hue and cry - is well taken. After all they are our own pitrus.

    Incidentally, the cost of performing one parvana sradhdham in Chennai, is Rs.3,000/- (all charges including brahmana dhakshinai, provisions, labour etc.). This is a considerable amount for a middle class family.

    Not many women are in a position to do the sradhdha samayal, wearing madisar. Lot of poor brahmana mamis are available to fill this gap and they are ready to take the cooking part. These women should observe sradhdha madi. That is all. This option is the second best.

    Karta should observe his niyamangal all thro this paksha, or atleast for a week or 3 days. Our sradhdhai and involvement in its conduct matter.
    In my parents' days, my mother and all lady members of the family used to talk, almost all the time, about the annual sradhdhams (two or three in a year) in the family. Male members will be worrying - sthanam brahmanas to come in time, should not be raining that week, fuel to be kept in an easily flammable condition, the menu for the lunch, etc. That much sradhdhai was there. Infact, the karma 'sradhdham' got its name, because of the sradhdhai it involves.

    Nowadays, sradhdhams can be performed with very least botheration. Infact, like conducting a small party.

    Practice of observing Dharmasasthram is becoming near 'not possible' stage now and we have started relaxing Dharmasasthram to our convenience.
    A spade is a spade, sir. Let us not 'it is something-else'.


    Regards.

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    A correction in the last sentence:

    A spade is a spade, Sir. Let us not argue 'it is something else'. The word 'argue' got omitted, now rectified pls.


    GS
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    Quote Originally Posted by G. Soundara Rajan View Post
    Shri Sangom Sir :

    Thank you for your views.

    No doubt, it is the best, if sradhdhams are performed in one's own house. Cooked by the kuta's wife herself.

    According to the niyamangal for performing sradhdha, own house is the best or the rented place in which the kurta dwells or at a place for which the rent for performing the sradhdham is paid (sreshtam seriatum pls.).

    All may not be having the facility to conduct sradhdhams in their place of living, due to various reasons. Mixture of other than brahmins in a store type accommodation, less space availability etc. When looking for a place to conduct sradhdhams, the role of places like Sankara Mutt etc. arise.

    Your view that spending in one/two occasions a sizeable amount for the satisfaction of one's own pitrus need not be made a hue and cry - is well taken. After all they are our own pitrus.

    Incidentally, the cost of performing one parvana sradhdham in Chennai, is Rs.3,000/- (all charges including brahmana dhakshinai, provisions, labour etc.). This is a considerable amount for a middle class family.

    Not many women are in a position to do the sradhdha samayal, wearing madisar. Lot of poor brahmana mamis are available to fill this gap and they are ready to take the cooking part. These women should observe sradhdha madi. That is all. This option is the second best.

    Karta should observe his niyamangal all thro this paksha, or atleast for a week or 3 days. Our sradhdhai and involvement in its conduct matter.
    In my parents' days, my mother and all lady members of the family used to talk, almost all the time, about the annual sradhdhams (two or three in a year) in the family. Male members will be worrying - sthanam brahmanas to come in time, should not be raining that week, fuel to be kept in an easily flammable condition, the menu for the lunch, etc. That much sradhdhai was there. Infact, the karma 'sradhdham' got its name, because of the sradhdhai it involves.

    Nowadays, sradhdhams can be performed with very least botheration. Infact, like conducting a small party.

    Practice of observing Dharmasasthram is becoming near 'not possible' stage now and we have started relaxing Dharmasasthram to our convenience.
    A spade is a spade, sir. Let us not 'it is something-else'.


    Regards.

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    Shri Soundararajan,
    You will see that I had replied to Swami's doubt about daayaati's are allowed to cook (for sraaddham) as per the saastras. Incidentally, I wrote some stipulations which are there in the Dharmasastras and prefixed my words, carefully, with the word "curiously". Thus I was neither criticising current practice/s nor asking for the Dharmasaastras being followed meticulously. My intention was (and is) to show how far these rites have undergone changes so that readers will get an impartial view and learn about the basis on which all these rites were originally instituted.

    I feel it is beneficial that this type of information reaches the brahmins in general.

    So, I am not here to "argue" but to say that "a spade", meaning what was originally envisaged by our ancestors, is no longer the "spade" it was, but has become a "clover" nowadays.
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    Namassadhasae.

    Shri Sangom Sir,

    Thank you for your response.

    I also like to share your concern that the following of Dharmasasthram is losing its importance day by day.

    Only the pitru karyams (sradhdham and amavasai tharpanam) are followed with some kind of fear psychosis that our sandhadhis may get affected, by most of us.

    The more we lose our grip on vedic and sasthram matters, which is our swadharma, the more we face lot of problems in our life. Sasthram is for our sukam. Unfortunately, those who likes to follow them to the extent possible and make some kind of pracharam are called as 'vaisampayanars'.

    My opinion also is that nowadays following of these matters in the way it should be done is losing importance and we are helpless due to various reasons.


    I respect and bow down to your exposure, knowledge and involvement in these matters sir. I sincerely regret if I have hurt you anyway in expressing my view. In this game, we two are in the same team pls.

    Thanks again & Regards.

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    In his book aapasthamba paarvana srardha prayogam srivatsa somadeva sarma available in bhavani book centre station road west mambalam chennai 33 he has given tamil meaning and srardha niyamangal . 156 pages. he has given all details .
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