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    Only sastrigals and the kartha's family can take srardha samayal, others should not take pithru sesham and so they will never come. bachlors are used to sit in vishnu elai meals daughter or daughter's are eligible to take meals in vishnu elai.
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    The Time to perform Shrardham is normally after 11.30AM , which ideally is the Madhyanika kalam . This is the ideal time as per shastras , however with modern day living conditions like office pressures , knowlegde of cooking as applicable to shrardham , availability of Vadhyar etc , things have changed and it depends on an individual as to how serious he is. Acutually Shrardham refers to shraddha i.e dedication but unfortunately now a days all karta's have sufficient time and energy for every thing else in life ( specifically applies to Iyers), however when it comes to devoting a day or 2 days in an year ( assuming that mother and father are dead ) people give all sorts of reason and in a cut short manner perform a Hiranya Shrardham ( many people even do not remember the thithi also) and buzz off to work . Very few people across the country are still dedicated in performing these karma's . More over Vadyhar's are also hand in glove in these acts and in order to earn more dakshina's they encourage Karta's to perform Hiranya Shrardham so that they can cover maximum ground and make lots of money on any given day. I too belong to an Iyer family but i am saddened by the way our culture is dwindling and i am sure that going by this rate in another 10 -15 yrs the concept of shrardham will become an endangered species.
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    [QUOTE=nnarayan26;57559]The Time to perform Shrardham is normally after 11.30AM , which ideally is the Madhyanika kalam . This is the ideal time as per shastras , however with modern day living conditions like office pressures , knowlegde of cooking as applicable to shrardham , availability of Vadhyar etc , things have changed and it depends on an individual as to how serious he is. Acutually Shrardham refers to shraddha i.e dedication but unfortunately now a days all karta's have sufficient time and energy for every thing else in life ( specifically applies to Iyers), however when it comes to devoting a day or 2 days in an year ( assuming that mother and father are dead ) people give all sorts of reason and in a cut short manner perform a Hiranya Shrardham ( many people even do not remember the thithi also) and buzz off to work . ) A joke to enjoy on the time for shraardham .No one to be affended. only for jokesake.A proverb 'thasildar athu shrardham pola'It goes like that.In those days of British rule Most thashildars are brahmihns.One such Thashildar has asked the vathiar to come very early in the morning for performing shrardham.Vathiyar was ready.Thashildar has returned from night works belatedly.The shrardham started The RDO has sent a message.The thashildar is restless and asks the vathiyar to be precise.There was some trouble in his area The police officer ask for his advice.
    He hears that the Collector is also to visit his place.With all that he asks the vathiyar to perfom the shradham himself and runs for his duty.
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    Namassadhasae.

    Silver panchapathram, sombu etc. are quite OK for offering to pithru & visvedheva sthanams. At the time of first year ceremony (varusha aabdheegam) items of silver are offered. If the gruhasthan can afford, giving silver items every year, it is welcome for the beneficiaries. It all depends on the affordability and kala desa varthamanam. Vasthram, Swarnam, Rajatham, dhakshinai - all depends on the affordability of gruhasthas. Even a crore is given, the manthram is 'yath kinchith' only
    and 'nama:' & 'na mamaa' (these two expressions are Sanskrit pls.) , without any ego by the giver.

    The time prescribed for sradhdham is after madhyannikam. How can madhyannikam be done in the early morning. The more the start of the sradhdham is delayed, the better it is.

    Above all, sradhdhai is important in performing sradhdham. 'Rest yatha sowkaryam' is the practical solution and conclusion.


    அவரவர் இச்சையில் எவை எவை உற்றவை அவை தருவித்தருள் பெருமாளே!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongan View Post
    I am illiterate on this But I am told that 'venpattu' should not be worn while doing theertha tharpanam etc.When we are doing tharpanam as part of shrardham how this is possible.please clear my doubt.
    A clarification to my post itself .I got the answer from one Jadavallabar . Generally we use venpattu for performing devapooja. We dont wash it.Beause when it is drenched in water it loses its purity (MADI) So we want to be more careful that water is not allowed tobe springled on that knowingly or unknowingly.That is the reason we are not using Venpattu during doing tharpanam,Taking food ,and while answering nature's call.
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    In cotton dhoti the negativity will go by drenching in water. But in venpattu the negativity will never go by drenching in water. so the kartha will never use venpattu. The venpattu must be given to the sastrigals who are sitting as viswedevar and pithru 's.sthanam. on those days. according to their financial status.

    Abisravanam of rig veda; sukla and krishna yajur veda and samavedam will be there while the sastrigals are taking meals. This must be only to avoid wavering mind in other unpleasant thougts while eating. Both the sastrigal's mind will go hearing the abisravana mantras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgopalan View Post
    Only sastrigals and the kartha's family can take srardha samayal, others should not take pithru sesham and so they will never come. bachlors are used to sit in vishnu elai meals daughter or daughter's are eligible to take meals in vishnu elai.
    When nimanthrana brahmanals are about to leave the kartha's house The kartha asks them anna seshai hi kim kriyatham? ie what can we do with the left out meals etc. The brhmanals say Ishtai saha up pujyatham.You can eat it with people whom you consider near and dear to you , naturally the siblings of the family. In practice only the family members and gnathis take food with them.
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    Dear Wrongan ji,

    I think it is correct as you said, but in custom I think this has been changed and stopped with karthas and gnathis and sahagothras. Anyhow, what I personally feel is only the karthas and gnathis have the rights to eat that also since they are the one involved in the karma and also in one or other way related to the respective pithru. How the sesham should be shared then with near and dear who does not have any sort of even knowing about the respective pithru?? I think this should be clarified even better to know it fully.


    Pranams
    Kann Kalikkumpadi kandukonden Kadambadaviyil
    pann kalikkum kural veenaiyum kaiyum payodharamum
    mann kalikkum pachai vannamum aghi mathangar kula
    penngalil thondria emperumaatithan perazhage

    (Abirami Andhadhi)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DURGADASAN View Post
    Dear Wrongan ji,

    I think it is correct as you said, but in custom I think this has been changed and stopped with karthas and gnathis and sahagothras. Anyhow, what I personally feel is only the karthas and gnathis have the rights to eat that also since they are the one involved in the karma and also in one or other way related to the respective pithru. How the sesham should be shared then with near and dear who does not have any sort of even knowing about the respective pithru?? I think this should be clarified even better to know it fully.


    Pranams
    I have given the shrardha mantram and its meaning only.The word ISTAI SAHA means whom you like or prefer.I do accept that I am not so much a competent person to give clarifications myself. But I will be searching for clarifictions when I happen to meet highly learned persons .I will not hesitate to expose my moudyam before persons having knowledge
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    Quote Originally Posted by DURGADASAN View Post
    Dear Wrongan ji,

    I think it is correct as you said, but in custom I think this has been changed and stopped with karthas and gnathis and sahagothras. Anyhow, what I personally feel is only the karthas and gnathis have the rights to eat that also since they are the one involved in the karma and also in one or other way related to the respective pithru. How the sesham should be shared then with near and dear who does not have any sort of even knowing about the respective pithru?? I think this should be clarified even better to know it fully.


    Pranams
    What Shri Durgadasan states seems to be the present prevailing practice (sagOtra not sahagotrA). But the ancient smritis allowed a different practice, as may be seen from the following extract of The History of Dharmasastra by Mahamahopadhyaya Dr. P.V. Kane in the section dealing with "SrAddha":

    He should then make according to his means presents (to the brah-
    manas) of cows, land, gold, clothes, splendid beds and
    whatever else was liked by the brahmanas or by the perfor-
    mer Inmself or his father. He should not be stingy in his
    presents. Then he should request the brahmanas to say
    'svadhA' and they should do so. Then he should request the
    brahmanas to pronounce the following benedictions and should
    receive them from them while he faces the east. They are 'May
    the pitrs be kind (not dreadful) to us' ; the brahmanas should
    say 'so be it; 'May our family increase'; they should
    say 'so be it'; 'May donors in my family prosper and also
    (the study of) the Vedas and progeny and may these benedictions
    come out true'; they should respond 'so be it'. He should
    then remove the pindas and request the brahmanas to utter the
    word 'svasti' and they should do so. The remains of the food
    eaten by the brahmanas remain (unremoved & unwiped) till
    the brahmanas leave. The remnants of food that lie on the ground
    are the share of the group of slaves that were straight-forward
    and not roguish (dishonest or shirkers). The performer holding
    a vessel full of water and muttering the
    verse 'vaje vaje' (Rg. VII. 38 8, Vaj S. IX 18, Tai S. I.7.8.2)
    should touch the brahmanas with the tip of kusas and allow them
    to depart. He should follow them out of his house for eight paces,
    should circumambulate them, should then return with his
    relatives, sons and wife, should then perform the daily Vaisvadeva
    and balihoma. Then after Vaisvadeva he should together with
    his relatives, sons, guests and servants partake of the food
    that remains in the cooking pots after what was eaten by the
    brahmanas.

    The words "ishTai: saha" reflects this position, I feel.
    श्रेयो भूयात् सकलजनानाम् ।
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