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    Vaidheega sambaavanai

    Sir, Now a days the sambaavanai for common rituals are very high.It is not much if they qualified. The amature vadhyaars in cities Without vedha adhyaanam and knowledge demanding more for simple rituals and also finish it with urgency to attend some other. Now my question is how poor people can perform their rituls.
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    Sir,
    Your assessment is true. Though in our forefather's time Vadhyars were having income for hand to mouth. Now the cost of living is high. Inspite of it they charge exhorbitant and not sincere in their rituals. If some one do not know about the rituals they will repeat the same manthra to keep the time and finish it hastely. We have to protect the vedam and riturals but demand by the Sastrigal is exhorbitant R.Venkataraman.
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    The cost of living,shortage of qualified vadhyars are some of the reasons for this unreasonable demand at times.However no excuse can be given for half hearted, slip-shod performances.They need to maintain a minimum standard of living.May be if they have a Vaidheegas Association they can discuss this threadbare and come out with their problems.We also need to be more liberal these days
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    'Vaidhigai Dakshanai'

    Dear Learned Members :

    I think it's time for us to initiate & form an association for Vedic Guru's who perform domestic functions at our house. As of now they are knit only thro informal & personal interactions. I urge the learned members to unite them thro some association, standardise the rates for Ganapathy Homam, Navagraha Homam, Vaasthu Homam, Sudharshana Homam, Chandi Homam, to name a few. The formation of association will also help the Vedic Scholars/Vadhyars to have some sustained monthly income, as the forum could ensure equal opportunity based on their knowledge and skills. As of now though they are self regulated, this could bring in some standardisation and also help those people who are not having direct touch with 'Vadhyars', as most of them have moved out from city to the other on account of professional pursuits.

    Any other suggestion is also welcome..

    thanks

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    'Vaidhigai Dakshanai'

    Dear Members

    I also accept the suggestion that an association be formed for standardisation of rates for various Pooja's and Homams . However I would like to add one more point which I feel is happening practically in all households. In almost all familes due to modern and fast lifestyles the concept of our culture and values are fast dwindling . This results in reduction of income for family priests / vadhyars . A liitle introspection by all members will create a concensus amongst us that apart from an annual shrardham or say a Poonal function we hardly conduct any ritulas at our place . So collectively if you calculate , the source of revenue for vadhyar's / priests have come down ,hence when they get an opportunity they charge exhorbitantly and try to compensate the revenue loss.

    I hope that all respected members would agree that Tarpanam is performed by at least one member in each family . Now if every person who performs Tarpanam at Home sets aside Rs 25 as Vadhyar daksniha every month then it becomes Rs 300 anually , if this becomes a collective phenomena and if the same accumalated Dakshina is handed to their respective family vadhyars , then the same becomes an assured income for the vadhyar concerned . This kind of an exercise over along time can help reducing the pressure on vadhyars as far as earning income is concerned and they may reduce charging exhorbitant dakshina


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    N.Narayan
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    Namassadhasae.

    I fully agree with Shri Sharma. If we have real sradhdhai in the ritual and we know the basic manthras ourselves, atleast vaidheegals will have no other go than to conduct the event with the format in which it should be conducted. This will increase the morale of both the vadhyars and the gruhasthas.

    In an earlier thread also, I have expressed this view. Let us all try to be a bit more qualified. When we perform pitru karyams like annual sradhdham, in places like flats, each one may help others and each one gets helped, by accepting the asanams for Visvedevar and pitru sthanam. If I know the sradhdha karma, in the format applicable to my family, I need not look for a very qualified person. Even the above kind of gruhasthas can also be engaged for that sthanam, in which case they all are only witness for the event, which is sufficient. Because we cannot do it ourselves, we are engaging a vadhyar. I do and view this way, since I know the formats. Definitely this approach will increase sradhdha for both vaidheegas and gruhasthas and will avoid the possible lamentation about the character of vadhyars, the exorbitant charges etc. Some may be under the impression that taking food in that sthanam is papam or something. It is a high dharma in fact, if we help others this way. Chanting some more gayatris will clear this negative. I welcome the suggestion of Shri Sharma to make us bit qualified in this direction.

    If we have the real interest, there will definitely be persons interested to educate on these matters and vidyarthis to learn. Brahmin Associations, websites, magazines, heads of community mutts - all should focus importance on this aspect.

    I, for one, intend to do this kind of service, after my retirement.


    "அவரவர் இச்சையில் எவை எவை உற்றவை அவை தருவித்தருள் பெருமாளே!" _ திருவக்கரை திருப்புகழ்
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    One should have shraddai to learn the mantrams for nithya pooja, amavasya tharpanam,shraaddam etc.Unlike olden days,lot of avenues/sources are available to learn thanks to advancement in the multimedia.If one has an inclination to learn,he can always do that and perfect his learning with the help of learned pundit.Time is not far off when it is going to be very difficult,to get a vadyar to perform all these things.I am afraid in this present time,when the youngsters don't have time even to have their food properly, they will care for all these things.
    S.Sridharan
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    There are Some manthrams that are to be presented by Married Sastrigal, some manthras are to be chanted by aged satrigals.

    For instance in Sashtiaptha Poorthy, the meaning of the manthra,

    the man who completed 60 years of age, need to take care for his health and quotes about the diseases that he may get and how to over come it.

    There are three occasions the man is sitting for Upadesam
    1) Brahma Upadesam
    2) Grihasya Upadesam (Marriage Cermony)
    3) Sahtiapththa Poorthy.

    Bramha Upadesam all of you know chanting of Gayathri for a child at the age of 7, the gayathri which minds regulates Mind and body so that the boy concentrate on his study
    Grahsya Updesam when entering a family life

    Sashti apththa poorthy a person should give up his selfish and devote his time to others welfare and guide youngsters, and learns how to unite the Mind and body and separate them from Soul, the athman.

    The man at the age of 60, assures the soul that he will hear the order and obey the order of the soul .

    The actual ceremony in Sahtiaptha Poorthy was 12 days in 1700- 1800.
    In which the grihastan is to retire from his family life and takes vanaprastha. That means he should take classes to youngsters. He is asked to take few herbals that will keep him fit for rest of his life.
    He assures his Dharmapathni, "So long in our life, with ourselfishness we quarreled with each other, more time spent time in searching for money, skipped so many rituals for various reasons, and you accompanied me all through this life. During menses and menopus time we might have crossed so many sins and committed mistakes and I apologies for the mistake I have committed. Dear I assure you from this day I wish to live for you and let us guide our wards"

    It also quotes about the Uterus and inner parts of the woman body, the diseases she may get at the old age and the Herbals that are to be used to over come that.

    In this Some manthras are very erotic and nasty and if we see the meaning we will really appreciate the person who navigated this in 13-14th century.

    These manthras are to be chanted by a married Prohith only.

    But I had seen many Brahmacharis chant this Manthras.

    In an Santhi homam, The first night ceremony for getting a good child the Manthras mentions about the herbals that are to be used for getting a qualified and knowledgeable child and positions of mating.

    This also should be chanted by a married priest who has a child.

    But all the rituals are carried out and no one cares.

    The Vedic schools run by madams are also not guide them properly.

    The Vedic School alone can have a control over them.

    All these are coming under Dathathreya Kavasam.
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    Thanks Sri Ramacchandran Sir,

    Thought provoking article.

    Very good

    All the best
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    It has come to be a fashion to find fault with Vadhyaars.

    I am sorry that these critics just want to blurt out something out of jealousy or their ignorance or just an interest to gossip.

    Even in a similar thread in this site I had voiced similar sentiments.

    Vaadhyaars are supposed to be our spiritual Guru. But just because some persons feel they can guage anything with money, they start blaming vaadhyaars
    , wrongly thinking that vaadhyars are their slaves.

    Why can’t any of these critics become vaadhyar and perform ceremonies at a low cost or just free . After doing so and establishing so , let them come to the roof top and coo..

    Has anybody the statistics as to how many poor people could not conduct the rituals just because of vaadhyaars high fees?

    No vaadhyaars forces anybody to do rituals with him. Any one is free not to perform any rituals. No law prevents him. Then why should they blame vadhyar? Why the critics themselves or their children not become vadhyar ?

    Who is the right person to fix vadhyar fees? The same person cannot fix the school fees of his child.He cannot fix the hospital expenses.

    Both the above are emergencies or essentials.By not able to control those expenses, one gets exploited.But nobody has complaints.

    There is no vaideeka emergency. So no one is exploited. If one voluntarily falls victim, he is to blame. Why can’t somebody expose a greedy vadhyar?
    If any vadhyar charges exhorbitantly naturally he will lose business.

    My grand mother used to say that “do not perform any post death ritual for me if you are not voluntary feeling it , and if it is going to be unaffordable for you. You may definitely cremate me ,otherwise the stink is for you only to suffer”. So rituals are just voluntary.

    Can anybody do self surgery?Then why should he do sradham by himself? To save a pittance? My dear critics,please come to the light by declaring yourself that you are ready from tomorrow to sit as pitru sthana brahmanan, or you will perform so and so ritual for so and so price. Then let us discuss further.

    ( I am sorry, this topic somehow provokes me . I am not able to stand such deliberate vilification of our own brethren,many of whom overexhaust theselves and sacrifice their many pleasures for the community’s sake falling prey for many jokes and ridicules.)


    Greetings
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