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    sadasivam.sridharan is offline Senior Member
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    The landlords should not object to doing the pithru karyam as this is not in any way inauspicious.This is a ritual invoking the blessings of the pithrus.If the landlords in their ignorance object to this,what will they do if suddenly death occurs in their tenants family or in their own family in the same house where they both live?
    S.Sridharan
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    Thumbs down Again ignorance

    Dear shri pannavalan,

    whatever objections you have cited can occur for auspicious functions.
    Infact, more visitors for auspicious functions so, more water usage.

    for auspicious functions also homam is done, so tiles can get damaged. neighbours will be disturbed even then due to smoke.

    inconvenience to ladies can be caused in many ways, not necessarily due to pitru karyams.

    vadhyars and others parking will be even more difficult during subha karyam as there will be more people.

    These reasons are absolutely silly and stupid.

    Infact auspicious functions are more than pitru karyams in a year. Please keep that in mind.

    the root cause is ignorance. People think pitru karyams are not auspicious. That's the basic reason. As I have mentioned earlier, the only way this can be changed is by changing the mindset of people.

    Regards,
    Last edited by vijay70; 27-10-2009 at 10:59 AM.
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    My dear Vijay,

    I had only listed the possible grounds for objections, but nowhere justified them. Please go through my post once again.

    Collectively seen, auspicious functions are more, but at individual level (i.e. tenement wise), they are occasional and don't take place at scheduled intervals like a shrardham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijay70 View Post
    Dear shri pannavalan,

    whatever objections you have cited can occur for auspicious functions.
    Infact, more visitors for auspicious functions so, more water usage.

    for auspicious functions also homam is done, so tiles can get damaged. neighbours will be disturbed even then due to smoke.

    inconvenience to ladies can be caused in many ways, not necessarily due to pitru karyams.

    vadhyars and others parking will be even more difficult during subha karyam as there will be more people.

    These reasons are absolutely silly and stupid.

    Infact auspicious functions are more than pitru karyams in a year. Please keep that in mind.

    the root cause is ignorance. People think pitru karyams are not auspicious. That's the basic reason. As I have mentioned earlier, the only way this can be changed is by changing the mindset of people.

    Regards,
    Very right Vijay70 sir,
    There is a general feeler that pithru karyams are considered as Abakaryams and also looked differently. That is the only reason. The mind set is to change.
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    Smile reply

    Dear Shri pannavalan ji,

    The points you had mentioned in your post were already raised a few times. Since, these are flimsy reasons I replied that way.

    No offence intended.

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swaminathasharma View Post
    He who denies to do pitrhu karyam is forbidden to have birth as brahmin in next 7 generations" - yajur veda..

    So kindly dont avoid pitru karyams....

    Earnest appeal to all folks....
    Sri Swaminathasharma,

    You have quoted Yajur veda "forbidden to have birth as brahmin in next 7 generations". What is the meaning of that? Nobody can be a brahmin by birth. I don't think brahmin 'caste' existed at the time when those words were written. I beg to disagree with those words altogether.
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    Smile once again thanks for your inputs

    Dear moderator,

    I believe the purpose of my thoughts to be conveyed through the thread is achieved. I am happy to know that there are like thinking individuals.

    A thread will break if too much load is put on it. So, I believe it is time to close this thread. Can you do it? or should I do it.

    Please let me know

    regards,
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    Namassadhasae.

    Earlier also, I have made one posting, commencing with the words
    'கல் ஊனி காரியம் நடத்த அனுமதிப்பதில்லை'. First day dahahanam (cremation) no problem. The procession can be from one's house. In Chennai, most people live in flat kind of culture. In the case of prathyabdheegam (annual sradhdham), no problem and this can be performed at one's house. Regarding aparam for the other 11 days, except persons who have the luxury of space, i.e. independent house (totally independent), the sampradayam of stone planting at one's house is followed, followed by all the other days (11 days aparam and the last 13th day as suba sweekaram). This suba sweekaram (graegyam) invariably is performed at one's house, by all. In the case of normal persons, who do not have that kind of luxurious space, do the apara karma on all days (upto 12th - sapindikaraNam), in a savadi, which is organized and run mostly by various charities.
    10th day pathu, performed in the savadi and that evening or on 13th day, a ceremoney of 'slogam vasithal', declaring the thithi of the deceased and this will be given to kartha in the form of a slokam.

    This is one accepted practice in Chennai.

    One more point relevant in the subject is : 'Let the persons not directly connected (other than persons who have bathyathai) not put into any inconvenience', since they may have to hear the apara manthras. This will be considered as 'asubham' by many persons and to avoid this embarasment also, these karyams are arranged in savadis. No humanity issue comes here.

    In the case of rented houses, the tenants are not permanent.

    Even for performing sradhdhams, own gruham, a place which is atleast paid/owned for this purpose for the day(s) is prescribed and OK, as per our smartha sampradaya (both Apasthamba & Bodhayanar soothrams). For people in north, I hear, no stipulations are strictly followed and they do pithru karma at the time of mahalaya amavasai, like NBs. I am not sure about the practice in North or else. But, I am sure the system followed in Tamilnadu, particularly Chennai, which is as explained by me pls.

    'அவரவர் இச்சையில் எவை எவை உற்றவை அவை தருவித்தருள்
    பெருமாளே! - திருவக்கரை திருப்புகழ் '
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    award winner icon Pithru kariyam

    In these days performing pithru kariyam in home has become dream come true Iam not joking its serious , especialley getting bramhins(Vadhiyar)and cook and three brmanartham men have become very expensive, so automatically people opt for going to madams where the madam arranges all in contract basis, but some people dont prefer that becoz they want to do that in home itself
    This situavation has rised due to vadiyars who demand big money for every thing, in sastaram it self it is clearly mentioned a bramhin should not demand any thing and have to get what they give , but we should also be resonable. But today vadhiyars are speaking like local rowdys. its true, recently iwent in search for a vadhiyar where that man said iam a expert in everything and my cook is also expert so you dont think us odinary vadhiyar, i was wondering, y this man saying like this , and after he demanded a huge money only i came to know bcoz of this only he was a expert before itself, see how people have changed today, I accept that he is also having a family we should also consider that befor giving him money. but these guys are not for that resonable , they by earning in this want to buy car home and live luxury life. this is selfishness, even i have personal experiance in this , Once some time back we were not financialy sound , we arranged a srabtham for my grandfather my father has to do that while giving money to vadhiyar and cook,bramanartham they demanded more but we were not in a position to offer them, instantly they started cursing us. we felt very bad but now i can do even in golden homagundam that is different but i fed up the way bramhins have changed and felt ashamed to tell iam a bramhin. this is the excat fact. My request is instead of going behind this selfish people we can arrange a food donation in the name of the dead person so lot of foodless childrennwill be happy that day and the dead people will also rest in peace and wish us.
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    Pithru Karyam performance at home.

    Sir,
    I entirely agree that the 'SASTRIGALS' in Brahmin community have become
    very greedy now a days and demand heavy amounts just like auto rickshas
    drivers.Even among them some are found to be very reasonable.
    The main reason is there is allround degeneration in Society and we cannot blame any particular group of people.
    I perform annual Sradha ceremonies of my parents in Raghavendra Madam
    and I find lots of 'SMARTHA' brahmins like me come there for performing
    Sradha ceremonies.They charge only Rs.225/ and allow two persons to take meals. You have to pay for additional members.
    B.Krishnamurthy
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