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    Siddhar padalgal

    Siddhas are the divine persons, who can be considered a grade above us and a grade below god. No words to explain their knowledge. Most of their songs will be having intended meaning and provides us a waking sense within us. Many people consider siddhas as gods themselves. But the strategy of siddhas regarding this issue will be entirely different. They actually did not need fame, popularity, money, etc. They are actually to serve the human race. Most of the siddhas are good medical practitioners and they only introduced "MOOLIGAI VAIDHYAM" (Herbal medicine) a lot to us. They blend their divinity with these herbs and cure any sort of disease. It is believed that siddhas are still dwelling in famous mountains like Chaturagiri, Thiruvannamalai, Vallimalai, Velliangiri, etc.

    18 siddhars are considered as main siddhars. Even in this count there are variations. Anyhow, in this thread I wish to discuss some songs of siddhars, with sound meanings and messages to human community. Posts will be in both tamil and english like that of my MANASIGA GURU "VIKRAMA JI"

    Pranams
    Kann Kalikkumpadi kandukonden Kadambadaviyil
    pann kalikkum kural veenaiyum kaiyum payodharamum
    mann kalikkum pachai vannamum aghi mathangar kula
    penngalil thondria emperumaatithan perazhage

    (Abirami Andhadhi)
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    கடுவெளி சித்தர் - ஆனந்த களிப்பு

    This siddhar thought this whole world as "KADUVELI." It means nothing except the space. His teachings to mankind are precious. His song under this heading "AANANDHA KALIPPU" is very long and I will try to discuss few KANNIS (stanzas) daily. For all the stanzas that I am going to post in this AANANDA KALIPPU will be having the same pallavi (PAPAM SEIYADHIRU MANAME)


    பாபம் செய்யாதிரு மனமே - நாளை
    கோபம் கொண்டே எமன் கொண்டோடிப்போவான்

    1. சாபம் கொடுத்திடலாமோ- விதி தன்னை நம்மாலே தடுத்திடலாமோ
    கோபம் தொடுத்திடலாமோ- இச்சை கொள்ளக்கருத்தினை கொடுத்திடலாமோ

    2. சொல்லரும் சூது பொய் மோசம் - செய்தால் சுற்றத்தை முற்றாய் துடைத்திடும் நாசம்
    நல்ல பத்ததி விசுவாசம் - எந்த நாளும் மனிதர்க்கு நன்மையாய் நேசம்

    In the pallavi, siddhar is instructing (a sort of even warning) to his mind. He is telling that don't do mischeifs. If you (mind) keep on doing such bad doings, one day yeman (god of death) will come and take you away.
    In this two lines, he is teaching us like a mother teaches to her child. If you are not going in the right-way, you will be punished. If such a sort of fear is created, then only we will obey. The arrival of "Yeman" is common to all persons. So, siddhar here signifies his arrival. "Kobam konde" (he will come with angry) he will come. it means for all our misdeeds, yeman will come with full of anger and he will cpature us.


    1. Dont curse anyone. Cursing others will actually indirectly cause negative vibrations only to us. So, stop cursing others. What is the thing behind cursing? Its angry. Things happened ar happened. We cannot change anything just by our curse. So, dont curse. Also give up your angry. Why anger is coming? because of lust over the things. So, we should curb that also.

    Now see that "KANNI" from below. IF you avoid lust, you can avoid anger, if you avoid anger, you can avoid cursing others, if you avoid cursing, you will be protected from sins...

    2. SOLLARUM SUDHU POI MOSAM- Dont cheat others by any means. dont say bad about others (He is strictly scolding the action of back-biting). Dont say lies. What will happen if you keep on saying lies and cheating others??? Your own whole family will get cursed. They all (Who belongs to you) will face great disasters in their life. (See siddhar has just mentioned "Sutram" - it can also take meaning of neighbours, relatives, family, everyone and everyone). Because, everyone are behind his action. So, the karma will catch everyone and on final day, yeman will come and take them.

    Ok. Then what should be done... "Nalla pathadhi visuvasam" It means go in the straight way. visuwasam means serving others. Because of this, humanity will developed. Usually, what we call as Pathadhi. Most of the bhajan people will be knowing. Pathadhi is the orderly arrangement of doings. Like this, to live an orderly life serve others.

    Pranams
    Kann Kalikkumpadi kandukonden Kadambadaviyil
    pann kalikkum kural veenaiyum kaiyum payodharamum
    mann kalikkum pachai vannamum aghi mathangar kula
    penngalil thondria emperumaatithan perazhage

    (Abirami Andhadhi)
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    பாபம் செய்யாதிரு மனமே - நாளை
    கோபம் கொண்டே எமன் கொண்டோடிப்போவான்

    3. நீர் மேல் குமிழி இக்காயம் - இது
    நில்லாமல் போய்விடும் நீயறி மாயம்
    பார் மீதில் மெத்தவும் நேயம் - சற்றும்
    பற்றாதிருந்திட பண்ணும் உபாயம்

    4. நந்தவனத்திலோர் ஆண்டி - அவன்
    நாலாறு மாதமாய் குயவனை வேண்டி
    கொண்டு வந்தான் ஒரு தோண்டி - மெத்த
    கூத்தாடி கூத்தாடி போட்டுடைத்தாண்டி

    3. The body is like just a water-bubble that stands on the water. It will diminish off within a second. Likewise, the body will also die soon. Within that short period, we are here. The verses of siddhar should be observed keenly. The life of us will be like that of a bubble (why it is so?). Because, it ends in front of you, though you take steps to avoid. If you started living for others (stanza 1 and 2), the lives of us will be changed and that is the way to get rid of all desires. Dont ever get too much affection with worldily matters (which are all illusionary objects). Instead, find out the way to get rid from desires (Already he told the way to us)

    4. This is a very famous quote. Hope everyone knows this. When I selected this aananda kalippus for initial posting, I dont know that this quote is within this.

    There was a beggar in a garden, who pacified a potter for 10 months and finally got his beg-bowl (Earthern-vessel to collect food). After 10 months of continous penance, he got that bowl. But, that idiotic beggar broke that vessel by dancing in front of all. (This is not a story).

    We ourselves are the beggars. In our previous births, we prayed god to provide birth as human so that we can do so many good things. Finally, after 10 months of gestation, we came out from our mother. But we did not think and totally forget how precious our body is. We eat, chat, and spent all our days in living happy. We never think of others and help them. Finally one day we die. (Note here nowhere siddhar mentioned that you have to go temple or do penance or do archana. Nothing. He stressed only to serve mankind.)
    Kann Kalikkumpadi kandukonden Kadambadaviyil
    pann kalikkum kural veenaiyum kaiyum payodharamum
    mann kalikkum pachai vannamum aghi mathangar kula
    penngalil thondria emperumaatithan perazhage

    (Abirami Andhadhi)
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    For sometime now I have been wondering how these siddhis could manifest and secondly I have not come across any female Siddhar(Correct me if I am ignorant). I have been reading books on Siddhars and it is indeed facsinating the way they explain the maintenance of the body(KAYAM).
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    I have not come across any such song of any Siddha, so far, except the last 'kanni'
    (stanza). I think other stanzas are just interpolations. (They also have the style of language and meter that are less than 100 years old).

    Siddhas never - I repeat, never - said anything in a straight way. Their songs contain some underlying, subtle messages which are totally different from, sometimes opposite to, what the words literally convey.

    Is it 'Kaduveli Siddhar' or 'Kaaduveli Siddhar'?

    'Siddham' means intellect, usually attained by rigorous practice that is devoid of material pleasure. From this word came 'Siddhi' (attainment of something unusual and impossible for other mortals).

    Siddhars could visualise so many things in their mental space, what even the today's scientists and astro-physicists couldn't.
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    Sri Durgadasan,

    I always wondered about 'nAlAru mAdhAm' in the 'Andi' song. I was wondering about why 24 months (4x6 =24 ; nAlAru mAthamai) I never thought about adding them (4+6=10)! Thanks for posting this. Now I can understand that song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pannvalan View Post
    I think other stanzas are just interpolations. (They also have the style of language and meter that are less than 100 years old).
    Sometimes the interpolations are just as much or even more interesting and valuable as the original.

    I have no exposure to Siddar songs. Seems quite interesting, please continue.

    Cheers
    Last edited by Nara; 30-11-2009 at 08:52 AM.
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    Dear Pannvalan ji

    Iam totally ignorant whether the siddhar song is completely his composition or some interpolations are there. In our world, we says even ramayana as interpolation with some sargas and mahabharatha too. Just we are in a position to take good things... Also, he is not kaaduveli, he is "kaduveli" siddhar only. "kaduveli- means nothing than the space" this siddhar considers everything in this world as a matter of space only. SO, he is called as "KADU VELI SIDDHAR".

    Pranams
    Kann Kalikkumpadi kandukonden Kadambadaviyil
    pann kalikkum kural veenaiyum kaiyum payodharamum
    mann kalikkum pachai vannamum aghi mathangar kula
    penngalil thondria emperumaatithan perazhage

    (Abirami Andhadhi)
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    Durga,

    Very good,

    Please bring these type of treasures to our forum

    All the best
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    5. தூஷனமாக சொல்லாதே - தேடும்
    சொத்துகளில் ஒரு தூசும் நில்லாதே
    ஏடாணை மூன்றும் பொல்லாதே - சிவத்
    திச்சை வைத்தால் எமலோகம் பொல்லாதே

    6. நல்ல வழிதனை நாடு- எந்த
    நாளும் பரமனை நத்தியே தேடு
    வல்லவர் கூட்டத்திற் கூடு - அந்த
    வள்ளலை நெஞ்சினில் வாழ்த்தி கொண்டாடு

    5. Never say anything bad about anyone. Though you keep on searching money for your whole lifetime, it will go off without leaving a dust (The mentality of a pure siddha alone will have the gutts to compare money with just dust I think). Never do wrong promises to anyone and bluff their beliefs. These three should be strictly avoided. (Speaking bad, going behind money and doing wrong promises). If a person devoid from these acts and got interested in SHIVAM, he will even conquer yemaloga (hell).

    6. Search for the good way to travel. (Siddhar is very clear in his explanation. He says "Nadu" not "Thedu". We can search a thing, only if miss that. But, "nadu" means just join with interest). Always search god within you. Have a good satsanga (Vallavar- here the siddhar is not meaning any bodybuilder or fighter. Vallavar here denotes siddha people themselves who are so expertize in many fields). Always praise the god. (Vallal- God is definitely a vallal(giver). Even atheist people too agree with that and says nature has provided us everything for our living. But, what we people are doing? we keep on blaming god for not giving car, bungalow, suite... we never praise him for what he gave (the food, dress, knowledge, etc...). Siddhar here is reminding us this only.

    Pranams
    Kann Kalikkumpadi kandukonden Kadambadaviyil
    pann kalikkum kural veenaiyum kaiyum payodharamum
    mann kalikkum pachai vannamum aghi mathangar kula
    penngalil thondria emperumaatithan perazhage

    (Abirami Andhadhi)
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