Thread: Vivaha Sanghamam at Bangalore on 24-January-2010

To RVR sir, The team work will always win and my best wishes to the Bangalore Team and from chennai you and others supported. I have missed second Time. All the best and hope more such Programmes. s.r.k.

Originally Posted by Raghy

Sri.RVR Sir,

I immensely appreciate your prompt response. For some reason, I have failed to get my actual question across. Sir, I am not questioning why you should or should not include or exclude other castes; first timers; second timers; widowers or divorced or any other types. No Sir. My questions have nothing to do with any of those factors at all.

Swaminatha Sharma used the exclusive phrase "எங்களுடைய இது போன்ற நிகழ்ச்சிகள்" instead of an inclusive phrase like "நம்முடைய இது போன்ற நிகழ்ச்சிகள்", in a forum. Who comprise of the exclusive term 'எங்களுடைய', please. I do understand that these functions may not have anything to do with the forum at all.

Since only few members are actively involved in organising the function, he would have said like that. As long as tamilbramins.com is a co-sponsor of the function, it has to be treated as `our function'. I think it is a mistake which I request you to ignore.

My second question is this - "I always wanted to know all the groups included in "சூத்திரர்கள்". I humbly requested Sri.Swaminatha Sharma to explain the word 'சூத்திரர்கள்", please." I just like to know who are included in the word 'சூத்திரர்கள்'. That's all.

Probably he would have meant all other communities except brahmins. Again one has to be careful in choosing words and phrases. Definitely I shall prevail upon him to use correct words and sentences in the future.

I wish you all the best. I know you are involved in social services on your own. In case, if I get booted out of this forum, kindly contact me through my email Id -
raghy_rmn@yahoo.com. I am more than happy to provide my help to promote your cause.

Please don't worry. I am sure you will not be booted out of this forum. I earnestly feel that there is no valid reason for expelling you from this forum. I kindly request you to give constructive suggestions to improve our services.

Sri.RVR Sir, thanks for your reply. But it did not address my questions.

I hope I have addressed your questions now.

Cheers!

All the best

raghy,

in a couple of notes of late, you have mentioned about 'being booted out of the forum'.

can you please let us know the rationale behind this? which are what parts of your posts or character that might be wanting to meet the standards of the forum, so much that you fear, that you will not be allowed to be part of this club any more?

it might be a lesson for me too. thank you.

Hi raghy sir....i have gone through the manusmrithi and found the defenition of Suthras and herebelow is the extract
Manusmrithi
1.88. To Brahmanas he assigned teaching and studying (the Veda), sacrificing for their own benefit and for others, giving and accepting (of alms).
1.89. The Kshatriya he commanded to protect the people, to bestow gifts, to offer sacrifices, to study (the Veda), and to abstain from attaching himself to sensual pleasures;
1.90. The Vaisya to tend cattle, to bestow gifts, to offer sacrifices, to study (the Veda), to trade, to lend money, and to cultivate land.
1.91. One occupation only the lord prescribed to the Sudra, to serve meekly even these (other) three castes.

Dears members, again here are some of the important messages from manusmrithi, which is good to follow. Sirs, all being brahmans here, i thought, just i can put some thing important from the manusmrithi. All can make use of this,
2.168. A twice-born man who, not having studied the Veda, applies himself to other (and worldly study), soon falls, even while living, to the condition of a Sudra and his descendants (after him).

3.12. For the first marriage of twice-born men (wives) of equal caste are recommended; but for those who through desire proceed (to marry again) the following females, (chosen) according to the (direct) order (of the castes), are most approved.

3.13. It is declared that a Sudra woman alone (can be) the wife of a Sudra, she and one of his own caste (the wives) of a Vaisya, those two and one of his own caste (the wives) of a Kshatriya, those three and one of his own caste (the wives) of a Brahmana.

3.14. A Sudra woman is not mentioned even in any (ancient) story as the (first) wife of a Brahmana or of aKshatriya, though they lived in the (greatest) distress.

3.15. Twice-born men who, in their folly, wed wives of the low (Sudra) caste, soon degrade their families and their children to the state of Sudras.

3.16. According to Atri and to (Gautama) the son of Utathya, he who weds a Sudra woman becomes an outcast, according to Saunaka on the birth of a son, and according to Bhrigu he who has (male) offspring from a (Sudra female, alone).

3.17. A Brahmana who takes a Sudra wife to his bed, will (after death) sink into hell; if he begets a child by her, he will lose the rank of a Brahmana.
If any body interested to know, please reply to this, so that i can put some more like this, which useful for others.
thanks sirs

Originally Posted by RVR

....I am unable to understand about the event which both of you are talking. Can you please enlighten me further so that I can study the feasibility and recommend to others.

RVR sir, we are referring to a get together among eligible boys and girls, but under the supervision of responsible, but understanding, older people. This is not easy to accomplish. Needs a lot of careful planning. Please think about it. I am ready to help in anyway I can.

Thanks...

My 2 naya paisa of sentiments.In hindsight, it hink we ought to stick to our clan with various sects in the cauldron.Known devil is better than unknown angels.Sorry Nara, i have been adviced recently,in my foolish move to include NB's in the swayamvaram.After reading Kamakoti website,i think Mahaswamigal is spot on about us TB's.Gandharva marriages are entirely different gambit of operative life style.I think my views are immature about inclusiveness,when there are hardly any takers for such revoloutionary ideas at this point.

nachi naga.

Originally Posted by Nara

RVR sir, we are referring to a get together among eligible boys and girls, but under the supervision of responsible, but understanding, older people. This is not easy to accomplish. Needs a lot of careful planning. Please think about it. I am ready to help in anyway I can.

Thanks...

Here in Tamilnadu each caste has its own rigid policies. If we promote intercaste marriages openly, there may be violent reaction from such caste associations.

Government of Tamilnadu is promoting intercaste marriages and is also rewarding financially such couples. But as individuals if we do, it will be opposed vehemently and some times violently also.

One of my supervisor belonging to Gounder community of Salem origin has two daughter. He is staying in Chennai and the moment the first daughter attained the age, he immediately shifted her to his elder brothers house in Salem. When I asked him about this, he bluntly told me that if his daughter marries a person from some other community, his family will be totally banned from his community. It is a very sensitive issue here and we have to be very careful in opening up such proposals.

Let us analyse further about the consequences before proceeding further.

All the best

To RVR sir your reply is a practical one and Gounders never willing to allow other caste or intercast marries. s.r.k.