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    Tamil Astrology Signs vs English Astrology Signs

    - personal views and general knowledge question only -
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    I am not a very great believer in astrology predictions and stuff but then like most of us i do take a look at the predictions whenever i am bored or happen to come across via email or in newspaper.

    According to the English Astrology my Sun Sign is Aries. Simple and straightforward.

    According to the Rasi palans that appear in magazines and websites, Aries is Mesha rasi in tamil.
    But as per my mom and the astrologer (during my marriage) i belong to Vrishaba rasi as my star falls under Vrishaba rasi. Now this translates into Taurus in english.

    I am aware there are differences in the Indian Astrology vs English Astrology. But for a layman and an occasional reader of these predictions, should i be overly worried about this conflicting signs or just ignore and read what i know?

    i.e. in my case, Aries.

    Would be great if someone can clarify this.
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    The Sun moves from one constellation to the next in roughly one month. So, solar astrology depends on the date and month in which a person is born. The zodiac sign is given accordingly.

    Tamil Rasi is based on the star in which a person is born. The star of a particular day is the calculated by the moon's position in the sky. If the moon is near the star Ashwini, that day's star is Ashwini and so on.....

    Hence, the solar based system and lunar based system have the difference.
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    In Western astrology they seem to give importance to the Sun sign whereas in Vedic astrology it is the Rashi (ie the moon sign) which seems to be more important as moon governs the mind.

    So your western Aries means your Sun is in Aries. And your Vrishabha rashi is your moon is in Taurus and not your sun. Your vedic Sun is probably in Pisces (Meenam) as i have noticed Tamil/Vedic Sun signs are always one behind the western sun sign.

    My western sun sign is Gemini (mithunam) but my vedic sun is in Vrishaba (taurus) and my rashi is kataka, meaning my moon is in Katakam.

    I admit that its all really confusing and most people just stick to which they prefer although you will find most Hindus saying vedic astrology is that much more accurate.

    PS: hope i havent confused you more Praveen
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    My date of birth is in the second half of May and hence my zodiac sign is Gemini - Mithuna.

    But my star comes under Kadaka Rasi!

    The twenty seven stars are divided into 12 rAsis. Hence each star has 4 parts (paadhams) and 2 and 1/4 stars come under each rAsi.

    Here is the chart copy pasted:

    RASI NAKSHATRA
    Mesha - Aswini (Asvini)
    - Apa Bharani (Barani)
    - first quarter of Krittika (Karthigai)
    Vrishabha - last three quarters of Krittika (Karthigai)
    - Rohini
    - first half of Mrigasira (Mrigaseersham)
    Mithuna - second half of Mrigasira (Mrigaseersham)
    - Ardra (Thiruvadhirai)
    - first three quarters of Punarvasu (Punarpoosam)
    Kataka - last quarter of Punarvasu (Punarpoosam)
    - Pushyami (Poosam)
    - Aslesha (Ayilyam)
    Simha - Makha (Magham)
    - Poorva Phalguni (Pooram)
    - first quarter of Uttara Phalguni (Uttaram)
    Kanya - last three quarters of Uttara Phalguni (Uttaram)
    - Hasta (Hastham)
    - first half of Chitra (Chittirai)
    Thula - second half of Chitra (Chittirai)
    - Swati (Swathi)
    - first three quarters of Visakha (Visakham)
    Vrischika - last quarter of Visakha (Visakham)
    - Anuradha (Anusham)
    - Jyeshta (Kettai)
    Dhanus - Moola (Moolam)
    - Poorvashada (Pooradam)
    - first quarter of Uttarashada (Uttiradam)
    Makara - last three quarters of Uttarashada (Uttiradam)
    - Sravana (Thiruvonam)
    - first half of Dhanishta (Avittam)
    Kumbha - second half of Dhanishta (Avittam)
    - Satabhishak (Sadhayam)
    - first three quarters of Poorvabhadra (Pooratadhi)
    Meena - last quarter of Poorvabhadra (Pooratadhi)
    - Uttarabhadra (Uttiratadhi)
    - Revati (Revathi)

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    Just to add.

    Yes, the western astrology is based on the Sun and the Vedic astrology is based on the stars.

    These two axis were the same in one time in the past, but they have slowly progressed away from each other from the viewpoint of the Ascendant (Lagna), which is the Zodiac sign arising at the place of one's birth, at the time of birth. This difference in the lagnas between the two systems is called 'Ayanamsa'. There are various folks who have calculated this value, based on the progression of this difference each year. For example, you have Raman, Lahiri etc. These are based on going back and determining when in the past the two systems were in sync. So, they differ a bit from each other today. Lahiri is an average of many ayanamsas, which came up with an 'official' ayanamsa, headed by the namesake of an Indian government sponsored committee. This is viewed generally as the most accurate. Currently the difference is about 30 degrees, with our system following the western system by that amount and hence what Sowbhagyavathi Amala Ji has said about noticing a difference of one sign is correct (each house is 30 degrees for the total of 12 houses and 360 degrees in a horoscope)

    Now in our astrology, the events in one's life are projected from the moon's position (janma star is thus determined by this). Our predictive systems are based on the moon's position and our system in the prediction business seems to be far superior to the western system. While in the west they predict from only the Sun's position at the time of one's birth, our system takes in to account the strengths of a horoscope based on the positions of the Ascendant(native's body), Moon(native's mind) and Sun(native's soul). I think that the generic western predictions you see in papers based on the Sun are not very useful.

    Hope I have not confused also.

    Regards,
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    Thanks Guys

    our system takes in to account the strengths of a horoscope based on the positions of the Ascendant(native's body), Moon(native's mind) and Sun(native's soul).
    So, taking my case, if i read the astro predictions of Vrishaba rasi (since my birth star is in this) then it is correct for me?

    and i can safely ignore the Mesha=Aries stuff?

    At the same time why is it so many websites equate Vrishaba rasi with taurus?. i have been so intrigued by this that i did spend a good amount of time going through various sites.

    Here is a copy/paste from one such site (http:// hindupad.com/2011/vrishabha-rashi-2011-predictions-and-horoscope-taurus-horoscope-2011-astrology-predictions/) which is quite confusing.

    Vrishabha Rashi or Vrushabha Rasi is the second rasi or zodiac sign in Hindu Astrology. It is known as Taurus Zodiac sign in western astrology. This article gives you Vrushabha rashi 2011 astrology predictions or horoscope or Taurus horoscope 2011 predictions. It covers every aspect of life – health, career, business, love, relationship, marital life, work, character, etc. Krittika Nakshatram 1, 2, 3 padas or charans, Rohini Nakshatram all padas, Mrigasira Nakshatram 1, 2 padas are categorized under Vrishabha Rashi.

    Those who are born between April 21 and May 20 are the natives of Taurus Zodiac as per the date of birth. This system is used in Hindu astrology when you do not know the exact time or your birth star (nakshatram). Here are the astrology predictions for Vrishabha rashi natives in 2011.
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    According to Western astrology my Sign is Libra (known for their indecisiveness owing to the dual scales) and according to Indian Astrology my Rashi is Mithuna(another dual sign)

    So I always have a problem chosing things and always end up chosing both!!!
    I guess it must be becos of my Zodiac.
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    Shri Praveen,

    If your DOB (English) is within April 23 to May 22 or whatever each paper states, your sun sign according to western astrology will be Aries. But most probably your birth star is Krittika and the 2nd., 3rd. and 4th. quarters (paadams as we refer to them in our horoscopes) are in Vrishabha rasi according to our rasi palan colimns and indian astrology where rasi is based on the position of the moon and not the sun which the western astrology follows.

    Hence read Aries palan in western and vrishabha rasi palan in Tamil/Indian system predictions. (You may be a bullish ram or ramish bull)
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    Quote Originally Posted by praveen View Post
    Thanks Guys



    So, taking my case, if i read the astro predictions of Vrishaba rasi (since my birth star is in this) then it is correct for me?

    and i can safely ignore the Mesha=Aries stuff?
    Depends .. If you are reading a vedic/tamil prediction based on Birth Star, then you see it under Vrishaba Rasi.
    If you are reading a western astrology based on Zodiac (sun sign), you should look it under Aries.
    To repeat what others have already mentioned, Your sun sign is Aries, your moon sign is Vrishaba, so look at your predictions accordingly.

    At the same time why is it so many websites equate Vrishaba rasi with taurus?. i have been so intrigued by this that i did spend a good amount of time going through various sites.

    Here is a copy/paste from one such site (http:// hindupad.com/2011/vrishabha-rashi-2011-predictions-and-horoscope-taurus-horoscope-2011-astrology-predictions/) which is quite confusing.
    I think the equation here is merely in the name. Name of Vrishaba in English is Taurus. This is not to say that Vrishaba Rasi based on Star is the same as Taurus based on Date.
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    AFAIK sun sign is the least important in vedic astrology. Moon signs and lagna are far more important and mostly are the only ones considered in making predictions. The moon sign predictions as Shri.KRS points out is concerned with matters related to our mind and the lagna our external life. The former is about our perception and the latter is about reality. So the focus is different.

    From my limited exposure to astrology I find it to be a very systematic and consistent body of knowledge even better than some of our modern sciences but unfortunately not given the seriousness and scholarly attention that it deserves.
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