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    Hussaini brahmins

    I hereunder given few collection from the net. I was assisting a friend of mine in the History of Muslims and their culture and came to know about this Hussaini Brahmins.

    Wish all of you to go through this and post your views
    Hussaini Brahmans in Karbal - ShiaChat.com

    -- Brahmans in Karbala


    COLUMN: By Intizar Husain
    LITERARY NOTES

    An interesting aricle was publishe in the famous daily DAWN. Here I am posting it just for information

    The history of Husaini Brahmans, as told by Nonica Dutt, begins with ten Brahmans going to
    Karbala with the determination to die fighting for Imam Husain. Among them were
    Rahib Dutt and his seven sons who fought bravely and resolutely.
    With the blessings of Imam Husain they met their death in a heroic way.
    Rahib Dutt was the lone survivor of the battle.


    WITH the arrival of Muharram this year, I was reminded of an encounter
    I had with an unusual, intelligent girl in Delhi who asserted that she
    was a Husaini Brahman. I recall referring to Prem Chand's play 'Karbala'
    in one of my addresses, which was based on a legend.
    The legend was about a group of eight Hindu brothers
    who had somehow reached Karbala determined to die fighting
    for the cause that Imam Husain stood for. They fought bravely
    and sacrificed their lives in devotion to Imam Husain. It was in
    this context that I was talking about Husaini Brahmans, who
    seemed to have vanished from the social scene in India.

    All of a sudden, a girl from among the audience stood up and challenged my statement.
    She said, 'Here I am before you. My name is Nonica Dutt. I belong to a Husaini Brahman family.'
    It was clearly a pleasant surprise for me, something like discovering a rare bird while
    walking through a jungle.

    The girl promised me an exclusive meeting to enlighten me with interesting information
    about the Husaini Brahmanian background of her family. But the proposed meeting kept
    on being postponed for one reason or the other. Finally, on the last day of my stay in Delhi,
    I received a call from her.

    'Let us meet now,' she said

    'But I have no evening to spare for you. Today is the last day of my stay in your city,' I said.

    'But I am already in the lounge and I must meet you,' she said.

    So we finally had a meeting. She entered my room with two large volumes under her arm.
    I proposed a detailed sitting on my next visit, which was due after a month or so.
    'But in the coming months, I will not be in Delhi. I am moving to Germany and will spend
    four months at the Humboldt University.' Nonica Dutt taught history at Jawahar Lal University
    and had been honoured with a fellowship from the Humboldt University. Hence she was on
    her way to Germany.

    'I,' she said, 'told my mother about your comments regarding Husaini Brahamans
    and how I introduced myself as one. To that she said, did you tell him that we don't
    perform the rituals the Brahmans are obliged to perform. That we don't go to the temples?'

    'Should I presume from this,' I asked, 'that you have turned Muslim.'

    'No, we are not Muslims,' she exclaimed.

    'Then what are you?' I inquired.

    'We are Husaini Brahmans,' she said with a certain sense of pride and added,
    'Now, I will tell you about a sign each and every Husaini Brahman carries with him/her.
    On his/her throat s/he bears a line of cutting, which is indicative of the fact that s/he is
    the descendant of those Brahmans whose throats were cut in the battle of Karbala.'
    Then she told me about the ritual carried out on the birth of every child in her family.
    She said, 'Among Brahmans, after child birth, the ritual of Moondan is performed.
    In our family this ritual is performed in the name of Imam Husain.'

    She then went on to tell me the historical facts. 'I will now tell you about the history of our
    martyred forefathers.' Pointing to the two books placed on the table she said, 'our entire
    history is conserved within these two books. When needed, I will quote from them.'
    Considering their worn out and pale pages, the books, which were written in English,
    seemed to be centuries old.

    The history of Husaini Brahmans, as told by Nonica Dutt, begins with ten Brahmans
    going to Karbala with the determination to die fighting for Imam Husain.
    Among them were Rahib Dutt and his seven sons who fought bravely and resolutely.
    With the blessings of Imam Husain they met their death in a heroic way.
    Rahib Dutt was the lone survivor of the battle. From Karbala he escaped to Kufa,
    where he stayed for some time. It is said that Rahib had the privilege of meeting
    the members of the Imam's family after the massacre. He introduced himself by saying,
    'I am a Brahman from Hindustan.' The reply came, 'Now you are Husaini Brahman.
    We will always remember you.'

    Rahib went from Kufa to Afghanistan, and from there came back to India where
    he stayed for a few days in Nankana. Nonica paused for a while and then spoke,
    'In the Sialkot district there is a town known as Viran Vatan. That place is our ancestral home.
    We are the descendants of Rahib Dutt. He had brought with him a hair of Imam Husain,
    which is ensconced in the Hazratbal shrine in Kashmir. She then recited a few couplets
    from the book she had brought along with her, in which these incidents have been recorded.
    'These couplets,' she said, 'are very popular among the Husaini Brahmans.'

    Nonica shut the book and said 'Let me inform you that Sunil Dutt was also a Husaini Brahman.
    And the father of Nargis too was a Husaini Brahman.'

    She got up saying 'Now I must go.'

    'I think,' I said, 'after you return from Germany, I should make a point to come to Delhi
    so that you can introduce me to your father. I will perhaps be able to know much more
    about your ancestors from him.'

    She said goodbye and left hurriedly. I had been under the impression that the story
    of the eight Brahmins was just a legend. But Nonica firmly believed that it is a historical fact.
    And it is the belief of Nonica and her community that really counts. For them the event is a reality.
    __._,_.___


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    Ramachandran
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    Mohyal Brahmins - Brahmin Force = A Wise Clan

    Mohyal Brahmins
    Mohyal Brahmins
    (Punjabi-Gurmukhi: ਮੋਹ੍ਯਾਲ, Punjabi-Shahmukhi: ﻝﺎﻴﮨﻮﻣ , Hindi: मोहयाल) (alternate spellings include Muhiyal, Muhial, Mhial, Mohiyal or Mahjal) is the name of an endogamous ethnic group that originates from the Gandhara region and consists of seven Brahmin lineages of that area that left the usual priestly occupation of Brahmins long ago to serve as soldiers and in government services.
    The community is noted for a long tradition of producing distinguished soldiers- including, among others, India's most decorated General so far.
    Despite their classification as Brahmins in the Hindu Varna system, they in fact strictly refrain from working as priests- often to the point of excommunicating those who break that tradition.They also do not adhere to many customs and taboos observed by other Brahmin groups, and their regional history and specific customs mark them as a distinct ethnic group as well.
    Mohyal Clans
    This ethnic group is divided into seven clans listed below with their gotras:
    Bali: Parashar
    Bhimwal: Kaushal
    Chhibber/Chibber:Bhargav
    Datt: Bharadwaja
    Lau: Vasishtha
    Mohan: Kashyap
    Vaid: Dhanvantri
    Origin
    The Mohyals are a branch of the bigger Bawanjai Saraswat group. Bawanjai literally means 52 lineages, including 6 that have since converted en masse to Islam (most prominently, the Gakhar community).
    When Gandhara witnessed repeated invasions and decline in Hinduism, many Brahmins are said to have become administrators and warriors. Mohyals are believed to be a community that emerged from this larger group, from the grouping together of seven lineages sharing records of distinguished martial and administrative achievements.
    Across the subcontinent, other Brahmins are also believed to switched from the traditional duties of Brahmins in favor of military and administrative ones. In other parts of the sub-continent, outside of Punjab and the Gandhara region they have been known as "brahma-kshatriya" groups. These are believed to have descended from Parshuram, such as Bhumihar Brahmins in Eastern U.P. and Bihar, Goud Brahmins in U.P. and Rajasthan, Gaud Saraswat Brahmins in Maharashtra, Anavil Brahmins in Gujarat, Havyak Brahmins in Karnataka, Namboothiri Brahmins in Kerala.
    With most men either in established militaries or mercenaries, the Mohyals developed a warlike culture and reputation over the last millennium.
    "A group of chivalrous Hindus called Muhiyals are very well at par with Pushtuns and Rajputs. Muhiyals have been rulers of territories in the present day Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. They are essentially a military race, which have served as soldiers throughout the centuries. They have a reputation of courage, loyalty and bravery. Muhiyals are composed of seven clans; Datt, Vaid, Chibbar, Bali, Muhan, Lau and Bhimwal. Though small in numbers but all these clans have a rich military history. In India, they are also called ‘Hussaini Brahmins
    The legend of Rahab Sidh Datt

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    Ramachandran
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    Col. (Dr.) Reoti Raman Bakhshi (After serving as a Doctor in the British Indian Army, was noted for being the only Hindu officer to have served in the Pakistani Army, eventually migrating to India upon retirement in the 1970s)
    Rai Bahadur Bakshi Badri Nath Chhibber (A highly decorated police officer in British and Independent India)
    Pushp Bali - A President's Bravery Award winner currently serving in the Punjab Police. He rescued a small girl from her kidnappers after a 10-12 hour long operation in Model Town, Jalandhar. In Sept. 2007, he also rescued a young lady from drowning at the Devi Talab Mandir in Jalandhar, where he was on duty. A recipient of numerous awards including Mohyal Gaurav, he is also President Youth Mohyal Sabha of Jalandhar.
    In other fields in British and/or Independent India
    Dr. Bhai Mahavir (former Governor of Madhya Pradesh, son of Bhai Parmanand)
    Bakshi S K Chhibber (former Lt. Governor of Mizoram)
    Rakesh Mohan (Economist, and Deputy Governor of Reserve Bank of India)
    Bhai Parmanand (Chhibber) (A social reformer in the Punjab, and a descendant of the family of Bhai Mati Das)
    Bhai Balmukand (Chhibber) (Was an active opponent of British rule in India, was hanged in 1915 along with Lala Amir Chand and Awadh Bihari Bose. Was also a descendant of the family of Bhai Mati Das)
    Dr. Baldev Singh (Vaid) MMBS, MRCP, Hony. Brigadier, Padma Bhushan, Sir Neel Rattan Sircar Oration, General SL Bhatia Oration numerous other achievements and awards.
    Bakshi Ram Dass Chhibber (1850 - 1937) - From the Bhera branch of the Chhibbers, was tutor of Persian and Urdu to the top-most elite of British India, including Lord and Lady Hardinge, Lady Curzon, Lord and Lady Minto, Lady Lansdowne and Field Marshal Roberts. Was a famous philanthropist, and co-founder of the Lady Hardinge Hospital in Delhi, besides being an active reformist in Hindu Society, particularly against female infanticide.
    Chief Justice V.K.Bali (currently Chairman of Central Administrative Tribunal, India and former Chief Justice of the Kerala High Court)
    Mehta N.N. Mohan (industrialist, founder of Mohan Meakin Breweries)
    Col. V.R. Mohan, Padma Shri - Industrialist, Member of the Indian Parliament, former Mayor of Lucknow
    Brig. Kapil Mohan, VSM - Industrialist, Chairman of Mohan Meakins and Indus Airways, Chief Scout of All India Boy Scouts Association, decorated volunteer of India's Territorial Army, also famous for overpowering the hijackers of an Indian Airlines flight on April 10th, 1993 despite getting multiple stab wounds in the process
    Raizada Baldev Bali - Industrialist, and the current elected head of the Mohyal community.
    Prof. V.N Datta - historian
    In the Indian Film Industry- Sunil Dutt, his wife Nargis Dutt (who herself was born half-Mohyal to a Hindu Mohyal father and a Muslim mother), Geeta Bali, Om Prakash, Anand Bakshi, JP Dutta, Gauri Chhibber Khan (wife of Shahrukh Khan), Sanjay Dutt, Lara Dutta (prior to becoming an actor, was also Miss Universe) and Divya Dutta.
    Mohyals and Religious Identity
    On the one hand, Mohyals take pride in having retained their Hindu identity despite living as minuscule religious minorities in predominantly Muslim lands, and in the face of widespread conversions of other groups to Islam. This was generally regarded as a sign of staying unconquered, especially in the backdrop of conversions brought about by force or incentives. On the other hand, many Hindu groups consider them very Muslim-like in their outlook, especially given the Hussaini-Brahmin appellation, and a few other traditions as well. Neither of these perceptions have traditionally caused friction in Mohyal relations with Muslims or other Hindu communities.
    Mohyals have been patrons of Hinduism and Sikhism in remote outposts beyond South Asia. In the 1800s, a Mohyal of the Datt clan from Pind Dadan Khan spent nearly all the savings of his life just to sponsor repairs at the Atashgah fire temple in Baku, during his stay in Central Asia.
    Links and Relations with Other Groups
    Across the subcontinent, other Brahmins are also believed to switched from the traditional duties of Brahmins in favor of military and administrative ones. In other parts of the sub-continent, outside of Punjab and the Gandhara region they have been known as "brahma-kshatriya" groups. These groups also claim to have descended from Parshuram, such as Tyagis in Western U.P and Haryana, Bhumihars in Eastern U.P. and Bihar, Gaud Brahmins in U.P. and Rajasthan, Gaud Saraswat Brahmins in Maharashtra, Anavil Brahmins in South Gujarat, Havyak Brahmins in Karnataka, Niyogi Brahmins in Andhra Pradesh Namboothiri Brahmins in Kerala.
    Mohyals have had a traditional affinity with these groups, on account of similar customs and belief in having descended from the same stock. There are known cases of Mohyals who migrated to other parts of the subcontinent, and became accepted as a part of the corresponding "fraternal community" of the new location.
    In addition, Mohyals also have a tradition of respecting other groups' martial traditions, transcending any ethnic or religious divides. Various works by Mohyals on their community's history are especially replete with mentions of a relationship of admiration and mutual respect with Gakhars. According to these works and the oral history of Mohyals, the special respect for Gakhars is believed to date back to the times Gakhars played a key role in fighting off foreign invasions under some rulers from whom Mohyals claim descent. This used to be mentioned as a reason why Mohyals especially served with pride under Gakhar chiefs in subsequent centuries and were sought for their services by them as well, particularly in the era before Sikh rule.
    The community's traditional disdain for the "handling of scales" has meant that few Mohyals used to become traders. It was the custom that anyone subsisting solely on charity was especially despised, even more so if that happened to be a Brahmin. With such Brahmins, Mohyals while admitting a common origin, usually objected to be classed with. At the same time Mohyals do also have a tradition of patronizing and supporting other Brahmins that engage in priestly or any other work.
    The traditional respect for hard work in Mohyals also translates into a universal respect for farmers, and being a farmer used to be the expected choice for anyone not serving in the army or administration . For that reason Mohyals often insist on being hereditary agriculturists themselves.
    Satbansi Brahmins and other offshoots
    Mohyals are believed to be the parent community from which the Satbansi Brahmins arose as an offshoot. The term Satbansi literally means seven lineages, and this is a community of Brahmins that does engage in priestly rituals, unlike Mohyals.
    According to Mohyals' written and oral history, when the Arora community of Sind and Multan was ostracized by the Khatris, the latter had disallowed their priests from continuing to perform religious rites for Aroras, causing especial hardships for then at funerals and marriages.
    In this duress a community elder of the Aroras named Sidh Jaichik of Arorkot had appealed to a Mohyal of Thatta named Gosain Bodh Raj Vaid for help. The Mohyal community, after deliberating on the issue had decided to help out by assigning seven families, one from each Mohyal clan, to perform priestly rituals for the Arora community from that point onwards. At the same time, these 7 families theselves got ostracized from the Mohyal clan as the ritual punishment for taking up priesthood.
    The seven persons who stepped forward for rendering this assistance at the expense of their own place in the Mohyal community were Chhangi Ram Mohan, Dhanpat Datt, Lalumal Bali, Satpal Chhibber, Sham Lau, Takhatmal Bhimwal along with Bodh Raj Vaid himself. Those seven clans came to be known as Chhangu Potrey, Dhan Potre,Lalrey,Saitpal, Shamu Potre, Takhat Potre and Bhoj Potre respectively.
    As per Mohyal history and other sources, this group in turn is believed to have given rise to other branches, like the Wadhwani clan under Wadho Ram , Mangwanis under Mangho Ram, both descendants of Sham Lau, the Ramanandani clan under Rama Nand, a descendant of Gosain Bodh Raj Vaid, and others.
    Mohyal History
    Sources
    Currently, a documented history of Mohyals is mostly derived from oral history and a few historical records.
    The known written works include the following:
    Bali Nama (Persian) by Rattan Chand Bali
    Mirat-ul-Mohyali (Urdu, 1870s.)
    Islah-e-Mohyali (Urdu, 1908) Raizada Rattan Chand Vaid
    Mohyal History (Urdu, 1940) Chuni Lal Dutt
    Gulshan-e-Mohyali (Urdu, 1920s) Raizada Hari Chand Vaid
    Jang Nama - An account of the Mohans by Har Bhagwan Lau
    Tawarikh-e-Vaidaan - (Punjabi) A history of the Vaids
    The history of the Muhiyals: The militant Brahman race of India (English,1911) by T.P. Russell Stracey
    Mohyal History (English, 1985) by P.N. Bali
    There have also been in existence many ballads extolling the feats of Mohyals, for many centuries. The sustained existence through the centuries is attributed to the fact that in the past Mohyals used to patronize bards that were devoted to memorizing these ballads and passing them on from generation to generation.
    Both the ballads and some of the written sources contain obvious exaggerations of the feats of Mohyals' ancestors, yet at places are also believed to offer interesting nuggets of history.
    A good source of recent history is provided by the journal Mohyal Mitter, one of the oldest published journals of the sub-continent, published since 1891. In addition, a Mohyal Gazzette was also published from 1899 regularly until 1912, from Kala Gujran.
    Stracey mentions that the Mohyals are primarily a military class, divided into seven clans that have been prominently associated with the government and sometimes rulership of the country. They have also figured at some early period of history in the affairs of Arabia, Central Asia, Afghanistan and Persia. At the time of his writing he states that they were spread from Afghanistan and Punjab to Bihar
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    Hussaini Brahmins..
    The Look /Coincidence of Faith
    This is the young lad that put me in my place with his penetrating glare..and I have a strang e story to narrate at the majlis on Sunday at the Lucky decorator house ..I was going for the Niyaze Hussain lunch.. on the way I came across a Maulana in my path and he moved in such a way as though I was a leper he mistook me for a Hindu..because of my dreadlocks, I muttered and cursed him under my breath.. forgot the incident..
    Late the same evening I remembered I was called by Mr Shabib Rizvi at the Rizvi Foundations and I dont know what made me go..When I reached there was telling Shabib about the incident of the Maulana who had snubbed me in the morning.. also about my trip to Ajmer and the words Shah Ast Hussain Badshah ast Hussain Deen Panah Ast Hussain.. and how I went only to see those words of Amir Khusro engraved on a wall.. from old times..at Khwaja Garib Nawazs Tomb..
    While I was talking the Maulana who arrived to recite the majlis was the same guy who had snubbed me and the topic he was talking was on the Holy Koran.. he digressed went to add the words of Khwajas tomb Badshaah ast Hussain.. that I had mentioned before he came.
    Did God want to tell him that perhaps I too had faith under a guise of a Shia and eyes can make you look like a Hindu..or a Christian but the base material is Human..
    Later I called up Shabib Rizvi and told him the coincidence and went last night too.. with a friend Raza Ali khan..
    And the maulana is a terrific orator from Quom Iran and he is related to Shabib..Maulana Zaigam Rizvi.

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    I feel disgusted at the attitude of some Shias, who live in India and yet consider Hindus , as untouchables, I feel like throwing up, perhaps todays Shias dont know about the Hussaini Brahmins , well you can go to the erstwhile Nawab Jafar Mir Abdullah,, of the Avadhi Nawabi Khandan, extension of Sheesh Mahal Lucknow ,I was at his house this morning, the Hindus that had come to Iraq to fight for Imam Hussain, in Karbala , sent by Emperor Chandragupta Maurya, had stayed back, and their progeny , was the gift of Imam Hussain, they made a mark on their throats as a reminder of their loyalty to the Imam, though it was prophesised they would not have a male progeny, his wish was granted by Allah for his love of Imam Hussain..

    Mr JP Dutta , Sunil Dutt Saab, and an eminent Colonel Vijay Saab who has their genealogy history, hail from Hussaini Brahmin ancestors, this insight was given to me this morning by the Nawab.. a distinguished scholar of the history of the Shia Faith .a thorough gentleman and good host..

    I think I feel much proud when I am called a Hindu..when I tell Muslims some of the racist ones of my Shia parentage , they call me a Hindu or Kafir anyway.




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    Hereunder given few websites all quotes about the Husaini Brahmins.


    It is well known that in Persia/ Iran there were lots of Brahmins of different Gothra.


    Each come under different title. for Example



    1. Bali: Parashar
    2. Bhimwal: Kaushal
    3. Chhibber:Bhrigu
    4. Datt: Bharadwaja
    5. Lau: Vasishtha
    6. Mohan: Kashyap
    7. Vaid: Dhanvantri(Athreya)


    Please go through these and please post your opinion.



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    HUssaini Brahmans - Chowk: India Pakistan Ideas Identities.com

    Hussaini Brahmans in Karbal - ShiaChat.com

    Hindu followers of Muslim imam , The Milli Gazette, Vol.5 No.10, MG104 (16-31 May 04)

    The Hindu Devotees of Imam Hussain (A.S.) || Imam Reza (A.S.) Network
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