Thread: temple priests

Dear Vasu,

I presume it is an open forum where we can all have different views on a subject.

Imagine if running businesses by Brahmins are banned because it is not our traditional field. Dont you think we will be agitated? In the free world all professions/jobs need to be open for everyone.

Like elsewhere we need to formulate criterea for acceptance and set the righ standards.

We all can have our choice for what we do within our 4 walls but when it comes to temples in public places, we need to ensure that there is equal participation and no discrimination based on castes.

Let us not degrade ourselves by comparing to other castes/religion and bodies like TTD.

I think it is a positive step given the historical clutter we have in front of us. Please keep in mind that I do not subscribe to state's intervention on the religious matters but then it happened.

Let us see how "we" are positioned. The class and the caste has ruined the Hindu religion for long time now. Going back to the period before christ (Say about 2,300 years ago) the societies choose different economic professions and continued to pass it on to their kith and kin and thus formed a society - but back in those days everyone pretty much did everything, much as the same as what we see today. (much like what I wrote in karuthu.com the other day)

Hindu religion must set a precedence and provide every "qualified" Hindu an opportunity to become a priest - qualified I mean that they MUST learn the shastra as it is and go through the same process that the traditional brahmins always did - this will also help out the TV priests even among the brahmin community and help it regularize the whole situation.

So we must enforce that not oppose this move as such in principle. This way we reach out to the common hindu man and bring back the elusive social equality which I deem as one of the reasons why the weaker and gullible Hindus are being lured by other religions (while that is a personal choice, our step would have to be a pro-active one).

Let us show that we are a tolerant religion and welcome positive changes with open minds.

Sincerely

Krish

sadhak said>> "PMK 4%. Yes 4%. Congress 4%. So, if the 3-4% of the population (brahmins) vote as a block then anything is possible"

I am not sure where you get this vote percentage. Especially when the polling takes place under the umbrella of UPA, where only one candidate from one party of UPA contensts in a constituency and all those who support UPA are expected to vote for that candidate. Which means it becomes impossible to demarcate on a individual basis how much percentage really a party obtained etc.

btw, it is not just about showing our power, because I am not sure whether we (brahmins) can handle their combined power, we are just 7% (assuming our sources are true and we can really rally them together), remember if you talk about brahmin unity publicly and vociferously, the others are gonna cling together and vote against you invariable hastening our demise.

pattuk>> "Brahminisim ( what pomies says) is challegened not today, had been there for 1000's of years. Still you can't destroy it because this is the truth. A truth cannot be destroyed"

This makes no sense whatsoever. Did you even understand what you wrote when you wrote it?.

Originally Posted by arunsuraj

As long as the person is able to recite the slokas in sanskrit/tamil I have no qualms of having non-brahmin priests at temples.

I would hate the world if some one says I cannot enter a profession because of my caste so that holds good for priesthood as well.

Gurukkals, Poojaris, sastrigals, Josiers are the last sub castes and genarally econamically backward group of Brahmins who need to come out of dravidian assualt.

Now it is an opputunity for them to demand that they be made govt employees by welcoming the move of the govt with a rider that other caste people who want to become priest shall undergo proper training in Agama Schools.

When the posts of Karnam and pattamaniars were abolished many Brahmins got into Govt Service and later became Dy Colletors etc and in fact they become forward because this.

You cannot simply imagine everu gurukkal today are making money like Thirupathy Archakas and actually this sect are very poor

Let us all welcome the move to take maximum political milage and insist that all exixting archkas should be made govt employees and all benefits given to them. Atleast the next generation will be prosperous.

halo
not a nice job by mr cm!
y did u elect ur cm this way when u coud hve done it better!
i apologise first
ok non brahmins as priests is very harsh to take.as we c priests next to god.and it is impossible to accpet priests outside or caste.we surely pught to fight for this but can this be done?and how do we fight back.we believe purity in giving it to god.abd we are born as brahmins to take up the work of god.it is very unacceptable to go to temples that dont have brahmin as priests and we can build temples more privately and having only our castes people as priests.let we nto go to temples at all if they continu doing this practie of bringing non brahmins in the name of worship as priests.but before that let us all get back to our common seats and let us learn our scriptures and revise all our vedas!

Originally Posted by srkpriv

pattuk>> "Brahminisim ( what pomies says) is challegened not today, had been there for 1000's of years. Still you can't destroy it because this is the truth. A truth cannot be destroyed"

This makes no sense whatsoever. Did you even understand what you wrote when you wrote it?.

The explanation is this The word Brahminisim was created by British (called Pomy)
Even before that when you look at the westernised buddist texts would say that buddha challenged the authority of brahmisim.
Even if you take the two ways like
a) it is totally true, buddha was not successfull in his mission. Because many of the "Sangas" were populated with brahmins and they continued with what they wanted to do.
b) if it is not true then the brahmin, still the way the buddhism entered the the religious platform was through an atheist way.

Anyway their temproray sucess were not long because they entered politics .

Thus the brahminhood is a way of life, in this you try to be a role model and impress on your fellow being to become the same. It is the way every one should aim to. Even if the there is non brahmin archakar in temple he will become a brahmin at least. There is no guarantee that he will not repeat the same situation.
Another classical example would be few sri vaishanvas, they were not brahmins, but they were inducted into brahminhood by Sri Ramanuja. They call thems selves as brahmins. Still their root is a non brahmins root. It will be difficult to differenciate between themselves unless they say so. Obvivously they wouldn't proclaim in public.

Therefore the brahminism cannot be destroyed as everyone comes to the basic function of a brahmins (ie a prohitha - in temple an archakar) would show the same properties of the presently adjudged as brahmins qualities.

Hope I have explained my stance.

பிராமணர்களில் தமிழர்களுக்கு எந்த விதக் கோபமுமில்லை, ஆனால் பிராமணர்கள் தான் தமிழர்களை வெறுக்கிறார்கள்.இத்தனை நூற்றாண்டுகளாக தமிழ்மண்ணில் வாழ்ந்தும், தமிழர்களின் முதுகில் குத்துகிறார்கள் பிராமணர்கள். தமிழர்களின் கோயில்களில் வேலைக்கு வந்த பிராமணர்கள் கோயில்களைக் கைப்பற்றித் தமிழை வெளியேற்றி விட்டார்கள், தமிழைப் பேசிக் கொண்டே தமிழைத் தூற்றுகிறார்கள். பிராமணர்கள், ஏன் தங்களைத் தமிழர்களாகக் கருதுவதில்லை. உங்களுக்குள் பேசிப் பயனில்லை, தமிழர்களிடம் பேசுங்கள், சாதி வெறியை, விட்டுத் தமிழராகும் வழியைப் பாருங்கள்.

Yes i agree to Nagu, Karunanidhi is doing is this for his vote bank, why are they trying to change the structure of the religion, ask him to ristrict a Mohammadan to marry 4 times , let him bring this change and then he can talk about non brahmins being priests in the temples