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    Trance

    Dear All

    I want to ask a question or two regarding the phenomenon called Trance.
    I have witness many go into trance during festivals and in temples and this one individual i had seen had come into Hanuman trance.
    His behaviour changed and his facial features also changed and mouth resembled a primates mouth.

    Many say divine powers do not enter human bodies and its just in the mind but how can even features change if its all in the mind?

    Remember even Padmapadha had becomed "Narasimha like" to save Adi Shankaracharya from being beheaded by the Kalabhairava Cult follower.
    Give feedback please.
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    Trance is a semi-conscious state. People behave the way the believe in, but not become what they believe in.

    Don't trust all cock and bull stories.

    kodiyil ondru nadappathai, yavaralum kandunara iyaladhu. anaal, adhu mattume unmai. all others are frauds.
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    Trance is a semi-conscious state. People behave the way the believe in, but not become what they believe in.

    Don't trust all cock and bull stories.

    kodiyil ondru nadappathai, yavaralum kandunara iyaladhu. anaal, adhu mattume unmai. all others are fraud



    Yes.
    Mostly, the persons who go into trance are weak minded ones.The trance is a sort of delirium. The frenzy situation created by dazzling lights, terrific beats and rhythm, songs and instrumental sound etc whip up a frenzy in the these type of people. many times this is aggravated or increased by lack of sleep,or skipping the usual sleep cycle.
    I have seen these trances many times.The same persons were all quite and calm usually.I have felt their body and found that the concerned persons were not able to control themselves for sometime.They come back to sense after sprinkling water,or some other gesture to consciously bring them back to the present.The subconscious sense erupts sometimes, and out comes the predictions -oracle like.

    The hypnotic gesture by the conductor(s) is also causing the trance.
    (The mass prayers are examples to this)

    In some scenes, there are some vested interests to cause such delirium to exploit the gullible. There are many faking trances also.Only the experienced can distinguish that.

    In Saasthapreeti events, there was a tradition that "Saastha" has to "appear" then only Bhajans can be wound up and prasadam be distributed.( Usual goers know there are certain particular bhajan songs with ascending rhythm for bringing this tempo) So sometimes even after going into late night, if "genuine Swami" donot "appear". some experienced clever one will take the responsiblility on him to bring the Swami!!!

    It is better to keep those things like that and allow so as far they remain some innocent entertainment suitable to that occasion.

    Greetings.
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    I hasten to agree with Sri Suryakasyapa and Sri pannavalan. Trance denotes the states of mind of a person. i have seen in younger days a person who handles monkey by taking it to streets etc regularly and being with monkey altimes his face slowly with a disntinctive change in facial .
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    I do agree that trance is a state of altered sensorium where subconsious mind dominates but in Malaysia Thaipusam in Batu Caves Kuala Lumpur is very grand and can witness many being induced into a trance state by temple priest(Non Brahmin preist).
    Once induced into trance piercing of the body is done under non sterile conditions and no bleeding , no injury , no scar and no infection is seen.
    Even those who had done firewalking have no burns wound at all.
    It surely has to be divine intervention isnt it?
    How else can we explain?
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    Dr. Renuka ji,

    As you could feel, divine interventions do exists when people involve in spiritual activities (as per your observation in Batu Cave Thai Poosam festival). I too have seen a lot like thin in Chennai.

    I believe supernatural powers can not be tested for its practicality and can not be identified with scientific reasons.

    Though human beings are doing scientific/technological wonders, plenty of universal things would remain beyond human experience.

    Some of us as much educated, smart and intelligent humans many not accept the existence of supernatural divine powers and may consider them as some sort of practices to sting people.

    I think, Professor Nara would be able to analyse such peculiar happenings and can help us to understand what is what?
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    Dr. Renuka ji,

    As you could feel, divine interventions do exists when people involve in spiritual activities (as per your observation in Batu Cave Thai Poosam festival). I too have seen a lot like this in Chennai.

    I believe supernatural powers can not be tested for its practicality and can not be identified with scientific reasons.

    Though human beings are doing scientific/technological wonders, plenty of universal things would remain beyond human experience.

    Some of us as much educated, smart and intelligent humans may not accept the existence of supernatural divine powers and may consider them as some sort of practices to sting people.

    I think, Professor Nara would be able to analyse such peculiar happenings and can help us to understand what is what?
    Last edited by C RAVI; 26-12-2009 at 04:08 PM.
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    Dear RaviJi,

    You know we actually think quite alike.

    I feel God accepts the honest prayer of a devotee which ever method he/she chooses to do so.
    There can be no so called scientific explanation I can safely bet which can explain why the Kavadi bearers who pierce their bodies do not get infected or injured or even scarred.
    When the metal skewers are removed from the body and vibuthi applied to the site,the wound closes instantly.
    So great is the love of God for his devotee.
    Last edited by renuka; 26-12-2009 at 06:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renukakarthikayan View Post
    Dear RaviJi,

    You know we actually think quite alike.

    I feel God accepts the honest prayer of a devotee which ever method he/she chooses to do so.
    There can be no so called scientific explanation I can safely bet which can explain why the Kavadi bearers who pierce their bodies do not get infected or injured or even scarred.
    When the metal skewers are removed from the body and vibuthi applied to the site,the wound closes instantly.
    So great is the love of God for his devotee.
    Offcourse

    GOD is great and powers are supernatural
    Bhaktha is great and dedications are extraordinary
    Bakhi is the greatest and is the mantra of life

    Whether its spiritual or just True Love between a boy and a girl that leads to all sort of dedications.



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    Quote Originally Posted by renukakarthikayan View Post
    Dear RaviJi,

    You know we actually think quite alike.

    I feel God accepts the honest prayer of a devotee which ever method he/she chooses to do so.
    There can be no so called scientific explanation I can safely bet which can explain why the Kavadi bearers who pierce their bodies do not get infected or injured or even scarred.
    When the metal skewers are removed from the body and vibuthi applied to the site,the wound closes instantly.
    So great is the love of God for his devotee.
    There was and is -(it is very minimal now )- a ritual called 'Garudan Thookkam" in certain Temples in Kerala, wherein a devotee is hung from a moving crane by a hook pierced into his back. The moving crane( or a pillar like structure) is then circumbulated around the temple once or thrice with the devotee hanging.

    Here also ,the piercings do not become sceptic.The vibhhoti, kumkum and such temple prasadams are applied.

    The person undergoing the thookkamm may not be the one who vowed and offered.He may be the special trained professional for that. He undertakes vrata for a fixed no of days. Massages the part of the skin where the hook is to be pierced, with certain medicated oil..The skin is thus made loose from the flesh. After perfecting this, if pierced, there will not be blood.

    It is all matter of belief and faith. Person who is faithful and devoted sees divine intervention. Person who does not believe/ partly believes , may try to see scientific reason and explanation.

    A similar method was reportedly adopted by some smugglers to hide gold and drugs smuggled through special cavities and folds made in their skin to fool searchings(of course before x ray checking).

    So all is on faith and conviction.

    Just because we do not like something, it need not be taken as wrong, and those who like that need not be opposed.

    Just because we like something ,it need not be right, and those who do not like that need not be fought against.

    Let us live and let live----And Let us be allowed to Live peacefully.


    Greetings
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