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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    Dear Jaykay ji,

    You see if everyone keeps agreeing with what I write then Forum will become boring....I also need some members to argue with!LOL
    Agree, it is important to have differing, diverse view points & be able to debate openly.
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    The starting point to shaping our own fate is to abandon the cowardly attitude of blaming other people or our environment for our present unhappiness or mistakes; we must adopt the stance that "everything is our own responsibility." In addition, it is important to change the state of our mind, reflect on the tendencies of our own soul and break free from committing the same mistakes again.
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    I personally have a mixed take on the so-called superstitions. I mean I wouldn't know which are superstitions and which are not unless of course, I am the know-all.

    And frequently, I have found that certain days (Ashtami, Navami) do not give desired results for certain works. Maybe due to inefficient planning or lazy thinking, but that it had to happen on an ash/nav?

    Cat crossing, from the right to the left (along the sweeping motion) is ok (dont ask what if the person is left-handed), but the other is not - I have not noticed anything so far on this, but who knows.

    Again the everpresent lizard - the list goes on.

    Yes, the power to shape up mud and clay and our fate is in our own hands, but I feel that we are governed by so many variables, most of which we may never really understand. The set of "age old beliefs" (a better word than superstition) is one such poke into the unfathomable based on experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auh View Post
    I personally have a mixed take on the so-called superstitions. I mean I wouldn't know which are superstitions and which are not unless of course, I am the know-all.

    And frequently, I have found that certain days (Ashtami, Navami) do not give desired results for certain works. Maybe due to inefficient planning or lazy thinking, but that it had to happen on an ash/nav?

    Cat crossing, from the right to the left (along the sweeping motion) is ok (dont ask what if the person is left-handed), but the other is not - I have not noticed anything so far on this, but who knows.

    Again the everpresent lizard - the list goes on.

    Yes, the power to shape up mud and clay and our fate is in our own hands, but I feel that we are governed by so many variables, most of which we may never really understand. The set of "age old beliefs" (a better word than superstition) is one such poke into the unfathomable based on experiences.
    Age old beliefs is surely a better term than superstitions. My own view on these things is that such beliefs or indications or omens, etc., should not be allowed to grow so powerfully as to unseat all our rational, right-thinking faculties. In this category, more than ashtami-navami & lizard/cat, are two items ordinarily observed by tabras — paRRu and ecchil (பற்று and எச்சில்). I hope most of our members here are aware of these two. I feel these are good, in moderate measures, for a healthy society/community. But in some households these take the primary importance and then many comic or inconvenient situations are created.

    The AOBs are, to my mind, like signboards. But they are not decrees or inviolable edicts. For example take ash-nav; it is not that these two days are completely bad, but not favourable for any new venture. Supposing you have applied for a bank loan and the bank is making you walk without giving a clear yes or no; following it up on an ash-nav day is not at all a bad idea and may be, who knows, you may even get a favourable reply. But it may not be a good idea to start a new business on those two days. Again, supposing one is selected for IAS training and is asked to report at Mussoorie on an ash-nav day; is it correct to refuse the order?
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    Those who argue against superstition ignore the fact that all of us routinely fail to be logical in both trivial and important matters. We are unduly wishful, unduly frightful or in some way unduly emotional.. It is not possible to be totally logical unless you have won over your emotions. Emotions can cloud each and every aspect of your thinking. It is only that, in the case of a superstition, a number of people have the same non rational view on something. It happens that way because commonality in thinking exists among people and so it is possible that some people have the same view though illogical, on a matter. Or there might be a real basis for the view and that some people perceive it. Thus the view can be either irrational when the logic is faulty or it might lack proper logical elucidation though basically being logical.

    The real superstition is the first one but IMO the irrationality we exhibit in our day to day or even important matters calls for a far more serious attention than these superstitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangom View Post
    My own view on these things is that such beliefs or indications or omens, etc., should not be allowed to grow so powerfully as to unseat all our rational, right-thinking faculties. In this category, more than ashtami-navami & lizard/cat, are two items ordinarily observed by tabras — paRRu and ecchil (பற்று and எச்சில்). I hope most of our members here are aware of these two. I feel these are good, in moderate measures, for a healthy society/community. But in some households these take the primary importance and then many comic or inconvenient situations are created.

    The AOBs are, to my mind, like signboards. But they are not decrees or inviolable edicts. For example take ash-nav; it is not that these two days are completely bad, but not favourable for any new venture. Supposing you have applied for a bank loan and the bank is making you walk without giving a clear yes or no; following it up on an ash-nav day is not at all a bad idea and may be, who knows, you may even get a favourable reply. But it may not be a good idea to start a new business on those two days.
    I agree with the sentence in bold, but sometimes when we are so tuned to a particular process, it is very different to think "independently".

    "Patthu" and "Echil" (P&E) - We follow it very strictly in our house, and even in Abu Dhabi here. I have friends/acquaintances here who do not follow this and I find (though it may not be related and could be a general trend nowadays) that they are less clean about their ways and do not bother washing their hands after picking their teeth, nose or ears... ugh (I will not even do it publicly for that matter). I am generally reluctant to eat from their houses, and if I do so, it is with trepidation. But I find that mostly people are not conscious of E as a hygiene issue at all, and in this sense "E parkaradhu" would serve humanity well !

    Similarly like P&E, there is the T (Theetu), which I have not been able to shake off. I will not touch upon this more as it is a hornet's nest.

    Reg ash/nav - I wrote the CAT, quite some years ago, and was called up by MICA with an interview & gd, and it was my choice of institute since I preferred the creative arena. I was disappointed when I did not get the final call letter, and thought that I was not selected. However, a month later I received another letter from the institute enquiring as to why I did not join in spite of my high rankings in the int & gd sessions. I was shell shocked, and upon enquiry we found that the offer letter had been delivered to the old address and the new tenant had not bothered to pass it on to us (this in spite of him being an MBA coach, so much so for the irony!). We were just streets apart and had instructed him to deliver any letters/parcels to the next door shopkeeper (whom we knew), but it never happened.

    Strange turn of events, and after some astrological analysis, we found out that the "hora" in which the CAT form was signed, was not favourable to my star and would not give good results. Though I have argued many a day with my father as to the veracity of these claims, the fact remains that sometimes, these things have an uncanny way of surfacing. If a person's karma is beneficial then perhaps the effect may be mitigated, I think.


    Again, supposing one is selected for IAS training and is asked to report at Mussoorie on an ash-nav day; is it correct to refuse the order?
    Personally I would not have joined. I flew to Abu Dhabi on an auspicious day and took up the post formally on a favourable time, in line with my pakshi, and in line with the nakshatra of the day (all seen by my father). Of course, the boss understood :-) as otherwise it is doubtful if it would have happened at all, but my father would say that if something is to come your way, then it would come the way you want (doesn't mean that I can idle about and wait ), otherwise just be content with the fact that whatever you are now is the best.

    And I believe him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sravna View Post
    Those who argue against superstition ignore the fact that all of us routinely fail to be logical in both trivial and important matters. ...........
    This need not be all or nothing. I donít see why superstitious beliefs and practices must be excused because we sometimes act in an emotional way that is not rational.

    The case of paRRu and ecchil (பற்று and எச்சில்) is justified by the pretense of health concerns, but in my experience, some of those who are the most strict on these counts are probably the worst when it comes to proper hygiene.

    Astami/Navami on the other hand makes no pretense at all, these are the gifts of strong cultural forces we are unable to shake off.
    கல்வியறிவும், சுயமரியாதை எண்ணமும், பகுத்தறிவுத் தன்மையுமே தாழ்ந்து கிடக்கும் மக்களை உயர்த்தும் .....
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