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    Humans and Vegetarianism

    I start this thread in relation to a posting under another thread A love story of a brahmin girl

    I found a thread vegetarianism & Alcoholism but it is closed now. In that thread there was a posting by KRSji.

    He said,

    6. Man is designed to be Omnivorous and so, this was not the 'natural' diet in the history of the humans.
    It is said by many medical and health experts that the human body is designed for vegetarian food.

    That man is a vegetarian animal is amply exemplified by his basic anatomy. Unlike carnivorous animals, man has teeth suited for biting and grinding and not for tearing. The intestines of man are longer as compared to their carnivorous counterparts. These are but the most basic of differences that exist between vegetarian and non-vegetarian 'animals'. More...
    Studies of human evolution have shown that our ancestors were vegetarian by nature. The structure of the human body is not suited for eating meat. This was demonstrated in an essay on comparative anatomy by Dr. G. S. Huntingen of Columbia University. He pointed out that carnivores have short small and large intestines. Their large intestine is characteristically very straight and smooth. In contrast, vegetarian animals have both a long small intestine and a long large intestine. More...
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    Curious... Why this thread is called Brahmins and vegetarianism? why not just vegitarianism and humans?
    Last edited by Raghy; 18-12-2009 at 06:58 AM.
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    I gave the title Brahmins and Vegetarianism with the idea of developing this thread into something connected with our community. I wrote the first posting like an introduction to the benefits of vegetarianism.
    I think Brahmins are the only community in the world that have made vegetarianism compulsory.
    Even if a Brahmin could not perform the expected rites due to circumstances, remaining a vegetarian is possible anywhere in this world (except may be in antartica) any time. Food controls body and mind. That's why onion is proscribed on new moon day.
    A person who eats non-veg cannot be called a Brahmin even if he/she is born in a Brahmin family or even if he wears poonal or even if he performs thevasam etc. Being a vegetarian is fundamental to being a Brahmin.
    As I said it is quite possible to be a vegetarian in western countries where most of our Brahmins go to work or settle down. I was a member of British Vegetarian Society till about 5 years ago. It is estimated that 5% of British population are vegetarians including vegans. Popular Beatle singer Paul McCartney and his family are vegetarians. His daughter Stella McCartney is a fashion designer. She is a life long vegetarian and she never uses leather or fur in her designs.
    In Australia, USA and Canada also it is very much possible to remain a vegetarian. If anyone takes to non-veg it is by their choice rather than lack of veg food.
    Of course it is their liberty to choose the kind of food, but they should leave the tag Brahmin and hence not elegible to participate in forums meant for Brahmins.
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    Vegetarianism is not the monopoly of Brahmins. In Tamilnadu, Saiva Velala Pillai, Reddiars, certain sects of Chettiars, Certain sects of Mudaliars are all vegetarians.

    Majority of Gujarathis are vegetarians. Marvadis are all vegetarians.

    Jains are all strict vegetarians.

    Certain sect of Brahmins in Bengal, Orissa and Konkan coast eat fish.

    Hence Brahmins could not claim monopoly for vegetarianism.

    Let us promote vegetarianism but not claim that Brahmins are vegetarians.

    All the best
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    SAIRAM. Adultery has eroded Brahmin community also. "Not all Brahmins are Vegetarians" True. But, why not? Because of their friendship with other non-veggies, wrong notions that only non-veg. stuff can develop good health and certain family culture wherein even elders in the guise of 'high-society' and so-called 'mix-ups', they fall into this evil non-vegetarianism and damage themselves healthwise and otherwise. Above all, such people do not have true spirit of religious or spiritual feelings. What is the remedy to restore or not make this community shrink further? According to me, as conveyed by Cho in his 'Enge Brahmanan' unless Brahmins learn to abide by the codes prescribed for them in the Scriptures, the damage will continue, or the least, they should lead a Pious Life by not getting attracted to Non-vegetarianism and other distractions. Padmanab Sridhar.
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    Sri uksharma3 ji & Padmanabsridharr ji,


    I am of the same opinion as both of yours...


    Sri *** ji,


    We all know that vegetarianism is not the monopoly of Brahmins.

    We only need to ensure that we Tamil Brahmins should strictly follow vegetarianism as that can be the only criteria for us today being in non-vaideegam profession, to say that we are Tamil Brahmins in our Tamil Brahmin society where we are depending on each other for the society to grow.

    In that sense, there is no need to promote vegetarianism in this Forum, if this forum is dedicated to Tamil Brahmins.

    For example, whether Brahmin or Saiva Pillai (both are vegetarians. There are many vegetarian community), though vegetarians, we are used to depend on the society for a family setup with in the community. Saiva Pillai would look for alliance with in Saiva Pillai and Brahmins would look for alliance within Brahmin community.

    Is this just habitual ("Pazhaka Dosham") or does it carry any valid reason behind it?

    If this is just habitual and majority of people could determine that Brahmins (those are not into vaideega profession), Saiva Pillai, certain sects of Chettiars and certain sects of Mudaliars are all same and there is no considerable difference (considering that vegetarian eating habit is not the prime determining criteria for our community), than I could not understand why our society who wants to attain social progress is not doing something constructively for the betterment of at least Vegetarian Eaters. I think in such a case we should productively involve in social activitis that can promote vegetarianism and take all the initiatives to sustain vegetarian society?

    In that sense, why the social organizations including www.tamilbrahmins.com is not conducting Swamwarams in general for Vegetarian community (the community that is not just into the habit of vegetarian but are basically considered to be vegetarians - like Saiva Pilai, certain sects of Chettiars and certain sects of Mudaliars) as per the scriptures for the sake of the vegetarian society as a whole?

    I want to know as on what grounds we are conducting Swayamwarams inviting only Brahmins? Why not Sai Paillai, cetrain sects of Chettiars and certain sects of Mudaliars?

    I don't know what sort of criteria are the determining force for our society to get confuse with the concept and conducting the same Swayamwarams ("ARAICHA MAAVU") with in the community (Brahmins) excluding Saiva Pillai and certain sects of Chettiars and Mudaliars who are vegetarians?

    Is that because there are only few members in the society who all have logical, practical and progressive mind set? And could not abolish Non-Vaideega Brahmin society because of the fear that Majority of ignorant Non-Vaideega Brahmins who still want to claim that they are Brahmins at leat on the grounds of vegetarian food habits and performing Vaideegam/Pitru Karyams at least with the help of Vaideega Brahmins (Vaathiyars), would seriously criticize those logical, practical and progressing people of our community who don't want at accept Brahmanism due to non-vaideegam style of life?

    Or, is that because no individual from Non-Vaidheega Brahmin population want to come forward and declare ostensibly to the society that - "We belong to the same community of Sai Pillai and certain sects of Chettiars and Mudaliars and we can exchange alliance between our community as there are no differences is our tradition and to enable our children to get into marriage easily at the right age".?
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    Sri C Ravi

    I am not promoting non-vegetarian among brahmins. Just I said, vegetarianism is not the monopoly of brahmins - that is all.

    I am a strict vegetarian and all my family members are vegetarian only.

    Let us all promote vegetarianism.

    All the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by uksharma3 View Post
    ......Of course it is their liberty to choose the kind of food, but they should leave the tag Brahmin and hence not elegible to participate in forums meant for Brahmins.
    with much respects uksharma,

    i disagree. i think, the aims of this forum, are brahmin centric towards discussing issues of concern and benefiting brahmins.

    i don't think it is upto any of us members to define who a brahmin or brahmin centric person for the sake of qualifying to be a member in this forum.

    infact, we have many members, who are not what are commonly defined as brahmins.

    then as defined by birth as brahmins, there are all ranges of following and religiosity.

    so to define a brahmin only by his food habits, is not within the scope of admittance to this forum, to the best of my knowledge.

    it can be personal opinion, and i perfectly understand your strong feelings about killing animals, for food or otherwise. that is certainly acceptable and honourable
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    Quote Originally Posted by padmanabsridharr View Post
    SAIRAM. Adultery has eroded Brahmin community also. "......According to me, as conveyed by Cho in his 'Enge Brahmanan' unless Brahmins learn to abide by the codes prescribed for them in the Scriptures, the damage will continue, or the least, they should lead a Pious Life by not getting attracted to Non-vegetarianism and other distractions. Padmanab Sridhar.
    sairam,,

    i have a couple of queries if you don't mind

    - what is your source for commenting that 'Adultery has eroded Brahmin community also.'. i do not necessarily disagree with you, and i presume, that you consider yourself as one of the few faithful to their wives among the members of this forum.

    i think, you are entitled to your ideas and views. if you tell me the basis for it, i too will become your supporter of this views. basically, all along, i thought, we were prudes when it come to sex. your views are refreshingly different

    - re cho becoming a flagship of the brahmin community - i am not so sure. i have seen cho since the 1960s, and at the prime of his career, this guy is said to have had more than secret affairs with several starlets, whose names out of respect for the starlets, i will refrain from mentioning. the source then were ofcourse the yellow press of that time, and a few filmi magazines.

    now, in the context of your adultery statement, i would include cho, based on past life. what do you think?

    re 'pious life', can you please explain further? should we not take up secular jobs and make a lot of money? what about the medical profession where we cut up humans, and perhaps kill them accidentally? i am not sure where to stop being defined as pious?
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    Sri. UK Sharma,
    Thank you for changing the title of the thread.

    “A person who eats non-veg cannot be called a Brahmin even if he/she is born in a Brahmin family or even if he wears poonal or even if he performs thevasam etc. Being a vegetarian is fundamental to being a Brahmin.”

    Few questions come to my mind after reading your messages. Can you kindly suggest what should such a person be called if not ‘brahmin’ if born as a caste Brahmin, please? Whatever the name would be, can that be announced in the Gazette and be officially approved?

    “In Australia, USA and Canadaalso it is very much possible to remain a vegetarian. If anyone takes to non-veg it is by their choice rather than lack of veg food.”

    Are you sure about these two countries highlighted in your quote? Have you lived in every town in both the countries to make such a statement? I think, I have news for you; there are times one has to travel a long distance to get a decent vegetarian meal or just eat leaves in the name of salad and also pay through their nose (by the way, not everyone gets the facility to cook).

    “Of course it is their liberty to choose the kind of food, but they should leave the tag Brahmin and hence not elegible to participate in forums meant for Brahmins.”

    How do you know such ‘brahmins’ wouldn’t be more than happy to leave the ‘tag’ as ‘brahmin’ for all one knows; hope you would be kind enough to come up with an official tag for them.

    Sri. Padmanab Sridharr,

    “……fall into this evil non-vegetarianism and damage themselves healthwise and otherwise. Above all, such people do not have true spirit of religious or spiritual feelings.”

    Why non-vegetarianism is evil? Are you suggesting that a majority of hindus are following evil practices in their food choices? Don’t you think it is a bit heavy handed remark? Can you kindly produce any evidence to show that people, who eat non-vegetarian food lack true spirit of religious and spiritual feelings, please?

    Respectable forum,
    In my humble opinion, food preferences are personal choices. Imposing any food choice restriction in the name of caste is not very desirable. I can’t agree with the idea that there is a special diet for ‘satvic’ people to consume to stay ‘satvic’. In my experience, not all the vegetarians are calm people (actually the opposite may be true; majority of caste Brahmins are short tempered). Not all the people who eat non-vegetarian foods are not short tempered, cruel or aggressive (actually the opposite is true!).

    Cheers.
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