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    Difference between Vakhya and Thirukanitha

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    I shall be grateful if anyone could explain in detail.

    Will there be any differences in the positions of plannets different houses.

    Thanking you in advance

    C S MUTHUKRISHNAN
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    At times, particularly planet like Saturn as long as 6 moths or about. It is better to follow VAkya Panchangam (if a house has one of its own) for vratams, thithis, etc. For Astrological studies, Thirugganita Panchangam is followed generally.
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    Shri Iyyarooranji,

    Thank you very much for your immediate reply.

    To Cast a Horoscope which is to be followed. If it is Thirukanitham system, the plannets will represent in different houses comparing to Vakkya Systems.

    If I have a horoscope in Vakkhaya systems, is it necessary to cast in Thirukanitha System for matching the horoscope for alliance and for knowing the future of a person.

    Thanking you once again,
    C S MUTHUKRISHNAN
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    If you have the h'cope on VAkyapanchangam, please keep it aside; it may be of help in case any discerning opinion arises later. If you feed on computer what you get is based on Tirugganitha panchangam. Difference between the two is not consistent or constant. The practitioners go on the "ganith" only. All the best
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    The planet earth is round. based on this vakia panchangam works . The planet earth is spherical.Based on this calculations are made in thriganitha panchangam .By using telescopes astronoimy dept. is giving us the correct degrees of each planet which is very closre to triganitha panchanga planet degrees. IN THE 1950 solar eclipse and lunar eclipse timings from trignaitha panchanga were correct whereas vakia panchangam timings were n ot correct. at that time astrologers have decided to take only triganitha panchangam as a correct one to predict astrology.
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    Is there any difference in the Ayanamsa used in the two Panchgams

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    It will take 365days and 6hours for the earth to go around sun Each time the earth is having minute backward movement each year whick takes 50.29875secondswhich was found some 2500 years ago in brihat samhithai mahabhaskariam and suriya sidhantham You can see these things. With the help of latest telecopes astronomers experts now a days has agreed that earth is going back each year 50.3 seconds. so written on olden days books are correct. Docter B.V.RAMAN. has stated that in the year ki.pi.397 Sayanam and nirayanam were same and based on that only Ayanamsam must be calculated . Somed astrologers are saying revathi paksha ayanamsam is correct and others are saying chitrai paksha ayanamsam is correct. chitra paksha ayanamsam must be calculated the time sun enters in the yoga thara of chithra star . This is accepted by many astrologers.. as per this ki.pi.301 year february 14th mid night sayanam and nirayanam were in the same degree. bassed on this ayanamsam was calculated . But in India astrologers are using 18 different ayanamsams.There isa differnce of 1 pagai and 27 kalai in lahari ayanamsam and dr. b.v.raman ayanamsam. Based on the chithra paksha method in 1920 ayanamsam 22*36" 37' 1930 22*45,00 1940 22 53 24 1950 23 01 47 1960 23 10 10 1970 23 18 34 1980 23 26 57 1990 23 35 20 2000 23 43 44 2010 24* 00 00. As per thriganiha method Ayanamsa is 24* for this year. I do not know about vakiya panchangam method of ayanamsam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgopalan View Post
    It will take 365days and 6hours for the earth to go around sun Each time the earth is having minute backward movement each year whick takes 50.29875secondswhich was found some 2500 years ago in brihat samhithai mahabhaskariam and suriya sidhantham You can see these things. With the help of latest telecopes astronomers experts now a days has agreed that earth is going back each year 50.3 seconds. so written on olden days books are correct. Docter B.V.RAMAN. has stated that in the year ki.pi.397 Sayanam and nirayanam were same and based on that only Ayanamsam must be calculated . Somed astrologers are saying revathi paksha ayanamsam is correct and others are saying chitrai paksha ayanamsam is correct. chitra paksha ayanamsam must be calculated the time sun enters in the yoga thara of chithra star . This is accepted by many astrologers.. as per this ki.pi.301 year february 14th mid night sayanam and nirayanam were in the same degree. bassed on this ayanamsam was calculated . But in India astrologers are using 18 different ayanamsams.There isa differnce of 1 pagai and 27 kalai in lahari ayanamsam and dr. b.v.raman ayanamsam. Based on the chithra paksha method in 1920 ayanamsam 22*36" 37' 1930 22*45,00 1940 22 53 24 1950 23 01 47 1960 23 10 10 1970 23 18 34 1980 23 26 57 1990 23 35 20 2000 23 43 44 2010 24* 00 00. As per thriganiha method Ayanamsa is 24* for this year. I do not know about vakiya panchangam method of ayanamsam.
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    thank you.vaakyam is vaak based.nadi josiam uses mainly vaak,which was written later in olai chuvadi.amazing accuracy,with 12 kandams,even includes deeksha mantram for moksham.suka nadi,agastiar nadi,bhrigu nadi are some famous examples of nadi josiam.in chennai there are many places who practice this science even today and they even give pariharams for a peaceful happy life.the HQ for nadi used to be in Thiruvanakkoil,Kumbakonam,TN,India.
    Saraswati namasthubhyam Varade kaama roopini Vidyaarambham karishyaami Sidhirbhavatu me sadaa
    O Goddess Saraswati, the giver of Boons and fulfiller of wishes, I prostrate to You before starting my studies. May you always fulfill me?
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    Yes. Vakku is oral communication and Drik (Dhrishiti) means communication through observation That is how two Panchangams came into existence It is possible oral communication can be distorted when passed on from one person to the other but communication through Dhrishti is stable. (Our Maharishis understood the mind through Gnanadhrishty) Hence Thirukkanitha (actually it is Drik) Panchangam is more accurate .This is what I read in one Vedic literature.

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    'vaakya' denotes sentences, i.e., slokas from ancient texts like sUrya siddhAntha, on astronomy, which give the method of calculating the position of the planets and the Sun based on formulae or equations given therein. In India there were thousands of different vaakya panchangas when we got independence. The Government constituted a Committee to review the position and suggest ways for standardization. Since these 'vaakya's were based on rough and incorrect observations made by astronomers when they did not even have telescopes, the vaakya panchanga results are not correct. The Committee suggested adopting modern astronomical data based on actual scientific calculations supported by accurate observations for our Panchangas; but this was not accepted by many of the local vaakya panchanga makers. Still, a large number of people dealing with astrology found the sense in the recommendations and adopted the modern astronomical data published in advance by prestgious observatories of the world.

    The second unscientific aspect of Indian astrology is that it does not take into account what is called "precession of the equinoxes". In simple language, this means that the beginnings of the months of Mesham (Chithirai) and Thulam (Aippasi) do not happen exactly at the same point in the sky every year; the point goes backwards (compared to the Sun's path in the sky with reference to the stars) and it takes about 21000 years to make a full circle. So, when we want to make horoscope predictions, we have to find out where each planet would have been if the beginning of Mesham was at the same point as that which existed during the life time of our Rishi who gave the slokas. Unfortunately, our sages probably did not know about this precession and so there is a lot of confusion as to when our ancient astronomers gave the slokas regarding predictions, and how far the beginning point of Mesham has travelled backwards since then. Different authorities swear by different values for this and this also adds to the confusion.

    Thus we have a situation of selecting between two bad options, and of these, most of the drikganitha panchangas (means, calculated as per actual observations) of today adopt accurate values for the position of planets and differ only when they have to reduce it to the position of the olden days.

    It is, therefore, best to celebrate festivals etc., along with the local people, instead of standing out for the sake of one's own "vaakya panchaangam". As for horoscopes and predictions, there will be only small differences in planetary positions even among the various authorities advocating different values of the precession and our prediction capacity is not so high as to go wrong because of this.

    Finally, there are the cases of twins born with a few minutes' difference and their horoscopes will be more or less identical. But their lives and longevity will be sometimes quite different and no astrologer will be able to predict these accurately. That is the limitation of astrology.
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